I agree with Tim, you got hung up in a very fortuitous way. Here's a story similar to the Shaw Grigsby account. On a recent excursion, I hooked a nice rainbow using a double nymph setup. Early in the tussle I could see that he was fairly hooked on the dropper fly. Two long runs later when I finally brought him to net, the dropper, now coated in moss, was free and the first nymph was solidly lodged in the base of the fish's tail. Would this be "legal"? I've been wondering about it since it happened.
Kevin Machon >From: "Timothy D. Kinion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [VFB] My first legal Halibut....maybe >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:54:10 -0500 > >You didn't catch the fish; you snagged the stringer. > >But what about a fish hooked on the outside of the head? I've watched a >trout swat at my bugger 4 or 5 times before it hooked itself on the outside >of its mouth. I released it, but I would have anyway. > >To further stoke the fire, I've seen a bass strike a crankbait (Hi, my name >is Tim and I'm a Chunk-and-Winder) and get hooked in the mouth. During the >fight the second treble hooked the back of the gill plate, and the original >hook came out. The fish was landed on the second hook. Legal catch? > >I watched an even stranger episode on television. Is was similar to the >previous, but went a step further. Shaw Grigsby hooked a bass on a >crankbait. Second treble hooked the back of the gill plate. First hook came >out. First hook took hold on the back. Second hook came out. He landed the >fish on the first hook, but it wasn't in the original position. Legal >catch? > >I'm not positive, but I think it would have been a legal fish in a tourn >ament... > >Timothy > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jacob Raketich [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:17 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [VFB] My first legal Halibut....maybe > >I agree, exactly. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:43 PM >Subject: Re: [VFB] My first legal Halibut....maybe > > >Legal - No > >Any fish hooked anywhere other than in the mouth is foul hooked. You >could have landed that fish with a scallop dragger. > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/26/02 01:24PM >>> >Hello all. It is not often that we as a community are given an >opportunity >such as the one which I am about to present. No - this is not a >solicitation in any way for funds, gear, goods, or >what-have-you....what I >am offering to this group is the chance to help define a small section >of >the Book of Fishing Ethics (a mythical publication contained primarily >in >the mind of the fisherman.) > >The question of the day pertains to the Philosophy surrounding the >question >of "When is a fish caught?" This, as with most philosophical >questions, >might seem at first like an incredible waste of mental energy....but I >encourage you to dust off your Flyshop-Logo-Embossed Thinking Caps, >fire up >those synapses and prepare to opine. > >-----------------------------------------------------DISCLAIMER--------- >---- >------------------------------------------ > >What you are about to read is entirely true. After having been duly >reprimanded by Master DonObiwan Ordes (a.k.a DonObi Wannabe, a.k.a. >DonObi >Wantoomany) for my, shall we say, inaccuracy in Piscatorial >Enumeration, I >don't want to have people thinking that I am exaggerating...we are >talking >about ONE fish here...I think. > > >Last night I was fishing the Salty Pacific by the pier in Santa >Barbara, Ca >(future home of yours truly...Santa Barbara, that is...not the pier). >After >quite a long period of not catching anything (while watching my friend >repeatedly hook up) I began to become quite desolate. Cast after >cast....nothing. Then (and the Wheel of Fishing Karma spins and stops >on......I'm not sure).....hook up. To something with weight. That >doesn't >move. It just sits there. "Crap...just a hang-up," says this >future-philosopher. Then the hang-up moves a bit. "Oh boy, not a >hang-up." >I start to reel in....feels like I'm pulling in a piece of lively >kelp. >"Bummer....lively kelp," says I. My buddy had come over to see what >kind of >hog I was pulling up...then quickly lost interest after the "life" >slowly >ebbed from the "kelp" which I had so artfully tricked into taking my >fly. >As I pulled my catch to the last five or so feet of water...my fly >breaks >the surface...and it is snagged on a long piece of green nylon. "Aw >crap...a piece of green nylon snagged on a piece of Ex-Lively Kelp," >thought >I. And then.... >My Green Nylon Kelp Fish decided that it didn't like the beach...and >took >off... >Now - upon bringing this heretofore unknown creature back to the beach >I >noticed that it was actually a halibut of the Quite Large persuasion >attached to a green nylon stringer. Apparently some sad soul had >caught a >nice halibut, decided to put it on a stringer...and promptly lost it >back to >the welcoming arms of the ocean. Said halibut was landed and, to the >tune >of much laughing, my friend and I started to philosophize (which >consisted >mainly of a lot of head scratching. > >Here's the question: >Did I catch my first legal halibut? > >Points to keep in mind: >-I did land this fish >-I did cast the fly...played the fish...landed it without any >assistance >-the fly was not in the fish's mouth...or even TOUCHING the fish at >any >place on its body...it was attached to the STRINGER > >So - If a fish is landed but only because of a snag on something left >behind >from another fisherman...is it really caught? >Another point for consideration...if the person who had initially >caught the >fish was a C&W guy (or gal)...and if the only reason that I caught this >fish >was because they had ORIGINALLY caught it....do I lose any Purist >Points >(please see the recent comment as a JOKE!!!)....am I to be classified >as a >C&W Fisherman-by-proxy (twitch....shudder....)? > >So - for those of you who have been kind enough to stay through the >whole >story...now is the time for you to cast your vote. >Did I catch a legal halibut? Yes or no. Or maybe.... >Justify your answer...remember that we are defining the philosophical >standpoint for posterity. > >Everyone has an equal vote...I'll let people know what the final >outcome is >(a note to our esteemed delegates from the great state of >Florida....we're >only voting ONCE per person....). > >Cheers, >Chris (a.k.a Chrishopper) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
