Amen Don! ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Lurker's Grumble- DonO's comment
> Just some thoughts, > > I really like this list, and enjoy doing things for it. I am not the > fastest typist by far, but being somewhat of a perfectionist, I try to make > posts professional, which takes time. > > For those who have a problem sorting through the emails and using the delete > key and having to spend a few minutes doing it, may I suggest considering > those who spend much more time making the list enjoyable and beneficial. I > have a day-job like everybody else, and a night job, and hobbies and family > and church and a life. But I do take the time to share what I've learned > with the listers, if fact, many, many hours in time. Those long posts on > hackles don't type themselves. I send out many samples paks for people to > try new stuff, and email lots of photos for people to see. There are many > others on the list who are also not just in it for themselves, but, even if > they are novices, give some time to the list to make it interesting. I > never ask anything back from listers, other than friendship. > > So as someone who invests time in the vfb, I ask only a few things: > > 1. Please take time to edit the subject line to reflect the theme of your > post. It may only take a little tag word to differentiate it from the > original. We are getting much better at this, me included. This will make > lurking deleters happier. > > 2. Please make sure questions that you are asking haven't been covered in > previous posts. Go back and read your 'deletes' before asking someone else > to spend time re-posting what you could have read had you not been so quick > on the d-button.. > > 3. And I don't mean to be offensive, but please, those who are lurkers, be > realistic about your expectations of the list. Byard watches the list like > a hawk, and fixes it when it deviates from what he desires. I would go with > this approach, as this is the best list on the net. Banter is something > that has been addressed many times, and until Byard steps in, it's not > outside the borders of his vision for the list. > > 4. Those of you who like being on this list, remember Byard and what it > takes in time and what it costs to have this neat place for us- darn near > free. We can sit at our bench and get personal answers to problems we are > encountering. Realize what that is worth- if you take advantage of it. Do > your best to support Byard so that he can continue to provide this site for > us. Those of you who support the list and make it interesting, like Jimmy > with his 'Quote of the day', invest time in Byard's bank, which is like > money if people stay on the list and pay their dues. For instance, Byard is > working hard to make the hackle swap neat and tidy for you, whereas you > won't be getting a mixed-bag full of plucked feathers to wade through and > sort. They will all be ready to hang neatly and use. In return for that, > purchasing a bag or two of dry fly hooks, which you need anyway to use the > hackles, would be a great gesture of thanks. And I thank all the pluckers > for their efforts, too. > > OK, off my soapbox and back to work. > > Ekklektikly yours, > DonO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Klemick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 9:03 AM > Subject: Re: [VFB] Lurker's Grumble > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > You make really good points about how we can reduce some of the clutter, > it > > seems that sometimes it's pretty slow going through a mountain of posts. > There > > is one aspect that I see a little differently, though, so I wonder what > you and > > others might say. (?) > > > > I certainly agree that all swap-specific mechanics ought to be handled > with > > off-list traffic, but from my perspective it does seem appropriate to post > > public kudos for the swapmeister when a swap completes. Seems like the > right > > thing to do, considering their generous effort and organization. The > > initiative and follow-through of the swap organizer really makes this list > > different and rewarding, and that 'pat-on-the-back' recognition deserves > to be > > heard. (Same thing goes for the folks who generously make time to post > > detailed explanations on technical subjects.) > > > > But hey, maybe that's the minority view, and any thanks or praise ought to > be > > privately posted... What do you think? > > > > > > Mark > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > ... > > > I know that swapping is > > > certainly a big part of what we do on VFB... but may I suggest that > > > swappers consider swap related e-mail and ask "Will this be of interest > to > > > the majority on the list?" The discussions about Hoffman feathers is > > > example of wonderful information resulting from a swap... bring it on! > But > > > questions to the swapmeister about the status of the swap, kudo's, > thanks, > > > etc. might best be given off list. > > > ... > > > Tom Davenport > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >
