Don, I think it is exactly the same thing. I just reread Fuzzy Nypmhs and
comparing the two, found that Polly used rope dubbing for his shaggy bodies.
Norm Norlander shows how to do it on his earliest rotary tying video, using
the Norvise as the spinner. Like everything in flytying, I think that most
of the things I think are brand new ways of doing things, are not new ideas,
but rediscovery of previously used ideas.   Of course, the materials can
change a lot, as, for example, the use of foam and synthetics. Joyce

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