Re: [VFB] Let's Start a Fight...I Mean,Let's Debate a Fly Tying Question

[Ken, Carolyn, Alex and Hershel]

So what about a fly like a montana brassy which consists of copper wire and bucktail or a Black Optic which is made of copper wire, black bear and a big black bead head -- are these fles?   Or what about a glo bug or an iliamna pinkie or a san juan worm -- are they flies.   I'd call all of these lures -- with the exception of maybe the montana brassy which could loosely be an imitation of a nymph or a fry.   Where do you draw the line?  If you add wood are they no longer flies?   Ken MacGillivray Coquitlam BC    ----- Original Message ----- From: John Martinez To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: [VFB] Let's Start a Fight...I Mean, Let's Debate a Fly Tying Question <G> Okay folks, just got the Winter 2002 issue of Fly Tyer, I think some on the list may have already got it, since I saw some posts about a Poul Jorgensen fly in the back of the magazine a while back. Anyway, one of the articles caught my eye, for those of you with a copy of the mag, please turn to  page 44 and cast your eyes on the "flies" pictured there. The caption on the article is "Hammerheadbugs" and describes "flies" made from bamboo tomato stakes and balsa wood and painted various garish colors. In the hopes of reviving some of the fun debate we had about putting hardware like spinners and spoons (was that a Fly Tying article, too?) on your flies, lets leave everybody's new best friend, PETA Sally, alone for a while and debate whether these creations are flies or not. In my book these are lures, plain and simple and put me in mind of when I was about 8 years old and living in Texas and making my own fishing lures out of things like clothespins painted with model airplane paint. No, I didn't recall catching anything with them, story of my fishing life, but that's a topic for another lament.For the record, we can stipulate that all flies are lures in a technical sense, in that they are artificial. But to me, these are not what is meant by the word "fly". So, let's hear it folks. What do you think of a "fly" that's essentially wood and paint gaudied up with a few feathers or some rubber legs for a tail. Is it a fly or not?                                                  -John Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now