From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VFB] Mayfly Wing Dilemma Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:15:25 -0500
Mark, he is not tying a catskill style woodduck wing. He is copying troutmans mallard dun. A fly in which the wings are whole woodduck feathers.
john
"mark romero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Scott, there are two ways you can do it, both involve putting the wing on
>first. THAT is the first thing you do on that fly. Always wing a Mayfly
>FIRST! The only thing different about the two methods is that with one, you
>use two feathers, and with the other you only use one. Since you stated your
>using a size 12 hook, you'll have to decide. I might use two. Size 12 is
>right where you have to decide. I would normally use one feather for
>anything smaller than a sizre 12, and two for 12 and above. You DO NOT EVER
>leave any stem in the wing when you tye it in/on. You want only barbs. And i
>never trim anything out. That's an old method, i find unessesary. With the
>two feather method it sure isn't nessesary and with the single
>feather......i find that, if you cut your wing out right there's again no
>need. Meaning if you have only what you need and no more (stem). Tie the
>wing material in, with the tips pointing out over the eye. Make sure it's
>secure. Lift the wing up and do as many wraps as needed and no more to get
>it standing up. And that does NOT mean making a huge damm in front of the
>wing. It means tucking each wrap tightly back into/under the materials until
>the wing will stand up the way you want it. You WILL have to do a few
>directly in front of of the wing in what would, (if you over did it), appere
>to be a damm. Don't do that. The idea is to keep your fly as sparse as you
>can, at least until you hackle it. When you go to hackle it, well that's up
>to you. But keep your wraps down to a minimum, (while also making a durable
>fly) as much as you can. That's the goal. Don't crowd you eye, and leave it
>clean up there. Tye your wing in about one third the way back on the hook
>shank. That should give you plenty of room to work. Trim your wing butts at
>a slant, comming in with your sissors from the rear of the hook. And trim
>the butts of your tail to meet with the butts of the wing, and help you to
>form a perfect taper to the body. Once your wing is tyed in securly, you
>will have to divide it if it's a single feather, and if you used two
>feathers, you should of gathered the materials in you fingers with the
>feathers front to front, so they will be natrually divided. Use your bodkin
>to divide the single feather wing. Figure 8 the left and right materials,
>and post both sides of the wings also. This helps in durablility. Keep your
>wings at say 10 and 2 o'clock and your fly will look great. Good luck, get
>back to me as to how it went. mark..........
>
>
>>From: "J&A Burbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: [VFB] Mayfly Wing Dilemma
>>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:26:23 -0800
>>
>>Scott,
>> �Look a little closer at the picture, there are two identical wings, one
>>curves slightly to each side of the fly. They are both hand cut from
>>mallard
>>flank and then tied upright. Lots of work but produce a very nice wing.
>>Just
>>leave enough stem at the bottom of each to tie them to the hook shank. I
>>hold them at about 45 degree angle and tie them in then I wrap in front of
>>them several times to hold them up straight. It's really not all that
>>difficult once you've done a couple.
>>
>>Hope this helps a little.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:46 AM
>>Subject: [VFB] Mayfly Wing Dilemma
>>
>>
>> > Hello everyone
>> > Calling all VFB'ers, Calling all VFB'ers come in, come in, beginner tyer
>> > has Mayfly wing dilemma Can you help???????. CAR 51 CAR 51 come in come
>> > in........
>> > Howdy Gang, well here it is let me set the stage for the question.
>> > I am currently in Jeff Frye's Mega Mayfly swap and I am tying my own
>> > pattern, I call it a Brown Bomber, it is a cross between a Lucca's foam
>> > Hex spinner, and a Dark Hedrickson, It has the Tail of the foam hex
>> > spinner and body, head and wings of the Dark Hedrickson. I have
>> > everything selected as far as materials go, the material list
>> > is................
>> > HOOK- #12 Dry fly 94840
>> > THREAD- 8/0 black
>> > TAIL- 2 pcs. of peccary and foam (painted brown with paint pen)
>> > BODY- Brown dubbing
>> > HACKLE -2 Bicolor hackle black and reddish brown
>> > WING - Died ginger wood dock flank feather
>> > My dilemma has to do with how do I secure the wing or wings on. Do I tye
>> > on 2 separate wings using 2 flanks or split one flank and stand them up.
>> > Also do I tye on the wing first or spin the hackle first. I received a
>> > JPEG from Jim Burbank showing also a single mallard feather cut and
>> > trimmed and tied to stand up. I am really not sure what to do, Any
>> > suggestions?. If I tie 2 wings how on earth do you secure them to stay
>>in
>> > place. I remember a thread last year between Joyce and DonO on this, but
>> > now as I reach 40 �that's all I can do is just remember it came up. Ok
>> > enough for now..........
>> > Scott Crosby.........(Wanna be Mayfly tier)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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