Mark, Ha! With Wingers I NEVER wing a mayfly First! So there!!! Thbbbbbt! :op AND I ALWAYS leave a stem in the feather!!! So there AGAIN!!! Double Thbbbbt! :oP And I tie with TWO feathers down to size 32 (Mustad) !! And I use the hackles to set the wings, not the thread. Thbbbbbt again! And I don't figure 8 at all. Thbbbbbttt... (I'm dribbling now)
I invented the old school, so now I'm doing away with it. LOL DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark romero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Mayfly Wing Dilemma > Scott, there are two ways you can do it, both involve putting the wing on > first. THAT is the first thing you do on that fly. Always wing a Mayfly > FIRST! The only thing different about the two methods is that with one, you > use two feathers, and with the other you only use one. Since you stated your > using a size 12 hook, you'll have to decide. I might use two. Size 12 is > right where you have to decide. I would normally use one feather for > anything smaller than a sizre 12, and two for 12 and above. You DO NOT EVER > leave any stem in the wing when you tye it in/on. You want only barbs. And i > never trim anything out. That's an old method, i find unessesary. With the > two feather method it sure isn't nessesary and with the single > feather......i find that, if you cut your wing out right there's again no > need. Meaning if you have only what you need and no more (stem). Tie the > wing material in, with the tips pointing out over the eye. Make sure it's > secure. Lift the wing up and do as many wraps as needed and no more to get > it standing up. And that does NOT mean making a huge damm in front of the > wing. It means tucking each wrap tightly back into/under the materials until > the wing will stand up the way you want it. You WILL have to do a few > directly in front of of the wing in what would, (if you over did it), appere > to be a damm. Don't do that. The idea is to keep your fly as sparse as you > can, at least until you hackle it. When you go to hackle it, well that's up > to you. But keep your wraps down to a minimum, (while also making a durable > fly) as much as you can. That's the goal. Don't crowd you eye, and leave it > clean up there. Tye your wing in about one third the way back on the hook > shank. That should give you plenty of room to work. Trim your wing butts at > a slant, comming in with your sissors from the rear of the hook. And trim > the butts of your tail to meet with the butts of the wing, and help you to > form a perfect taper to the body. Once your wing is tyed in securly, you > will have to divide it if it's a single feather, and if you used two > feathers, you should of gathered the materials in you fingers with the > feathers front to front, so they will be natrually divided. Use your bodkin > to divide the single feather wing. Figure 8 the left and right materials, > and post both sides of the wings also. This helps in durablility. Keep your > wings at say 10 and 2 o'clock and your fly will look great. Good luck, get > back to me as to how it went. mark.......... > > > >From: "J&A Burbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [VFB] Mayfly Wing Dilemma > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:26:23 -0800 > > > >Scott, > > Look a little closer at the picture, there are two identical wings, one > >curves slightly to each side of the fly. They are both hand cut from > >mallard > >flank and then tied upright. Lots of work but produce a very nice wing. > >Just > >leave enough stem at the bottom of each to tie them to the hook shank. I > >hold them at about 45 degree angle and tie them in then I wrap in front of > >them several times to hold them up straight. It's really not all that > >difficult once you've done a couple. > > > >Hope this helps a little. > > > >Jim > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:46 AM > >Subject: [VFB] Mayfly Wing Dilemma > > > > > > > Hello everyone > > > Calling all VFB'ers, Calling all VFB'ers come in, come in, beginner tyer > > > has Mayfly wing dilemma Can you help???????. CAR 51 CAR 51 come in come > > > in........ > > > Howdy Gang, well here it is let me set the stage for the question. > > > I am currently in Jeff Frye's Mega Mayfly swap and I am tying my own > > > pattern, I call it a Brown Bomber, it is a cross between a Lucca's foam > > > Hex spinner, and a Dark Hedrickson, It has the Tail of the foam hex > > > spinner and body, head and wings of the Dark Hedrickson. I have > > > everything selected as far as materials go, the material list > > > is................ > > > HOOK- #12 Dry fly 94840 > > > THREAD- 8/0 black > > > TAIL- 2 pcs. of peccary and foam (painted brown with paint pen) > > > BODY- Brown dubbing > > > HACKLE -2 Bicolor hackle black and reddish brown > > > WING - Died ginger wood dock flank feather > > > My dilemma has to do with how do I secure the wing or wings on. Do I tye > > > on 2 separate wings using 2 flanks or split one flank and stand them up. > > > Also do I tye on the wing first or spin the hackle first. I received a > > > JPEG from Jim Burbank showing also a single mallard feather cut and > > > trimmed and tied to stand up. I am really not sure what to do, Any > > > suggestions?. If I tie 2 wings how on earth do you secure them to stay > >in > > > place. I remember a thread last year between Joyce and DonO on this, but > > > now as I reach 40 that's all I can do is just remember it came up. Ok > > > enough for now.......... > > > Scott Crosby.........(Wanna be Mayfly tier) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. > locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > >
