From: "DonO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: presentation vs pattern/color Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:12:03 -0700
Technically, Mark Did you adjust the pattern, or the presentation? DonO
----- Original Message ----- From: "mark romero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: presentation vs pattern/color
> VERY well said Don. And i would have to agree wholeheartedly. My point
> originally was not to make any "blanket statements" but to encourage a
> "trouter" not to get to hung up on patterns, and to concentrate on his
> presentation. I've always found that if your presentation is good, you
WILL
> catch fish. Sure you may have to try a few different patterns, but that's
> not the point. I once got 10 bows at the Covered Bridge pool, on the
upper
> Beaverkill, using a White Wulff (size 12) during a Coffin Fly spinner
fall,
> in about an hours time just before dark. The actuall spinners were probly
> size 8 and of course very delicate, (as in a sparse tye). My Wulff's are
> very bushy like all Wulff's. And all i did was smash they wing down flat,
> and clip the hackle on the bottom. It was my presentation that did the
trick
> though. mark.......
>
> >From: "DonO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: presentation vs pattern/color
> >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:25:45 -0700
> >
> >Let's see...what do we have so far in this discussion?
> >
> >Pattern
> >Presentation/technique
> >Size
> >Color (let's include adding flash or accents)
> >we cold include scent- or lack of wrong scent to be exact. (mostly for
> >wets)
> >
> >But where do small nuances fit?
> >
> >I was fishing madam-X's in Jackson Hole, supposedly the hot fly that
year.
> >Not bringing them up at all. Went to a fly shop to see. The guy painted
a
> >red butt on the fly and I did very well after that. Who'd-a-thunk? This
> >was
> >a while ago, and that became a standard on a lot of flies- even humpies.
A
> >red marker became part of my vest supplies. Is this pattern? color?
same
> >fly... I found quite a few flies worked if they had the 'red-butt'
applied.
> >
> >So is a dash of flash- color, wire, tinsel- to be considered
presentation,
> >like garnish? Or is it color? Or is that pattern? A renegade is a
> >renegade. But gold wire or green wire can make a difference. It has for
> >me.
> >
> >A 'Lisenring Lift' is a presentation. But a combination of the right fly
> >and technique is required
> >
> >I was just on the North Fork of the Flathead. A smallish- size 18- dark
> >mayfly was hatching- but not many of them. I tried quite a few size 18
> >patterns 'match the hatch', and could not get a rise to them, although
the
> >fish were rising. I started experimenting. What finally worked was a
size
> >12 dark brown parachute mayfly with very fine gold wire ribbing between
the
> >dubbing-rope segments. It had speckled hackles, spent winger wings, and a
> >polar-bear post. But the fly didn't just work all by itself. As many of
> >you trouters know, it still had to be cast into a riffle and brought into
> >the seam, then the rise and take would come. (The polar bear post is
great
> >for high visibility in the riffles.) It was pattern, but not match the
> >hatch. It was color, but with flash. It was presentation, but only with
a
> >certain fly. Was a larger fly needed, or did it just not matter, since
it
> >was my only dry mayfly with gold rib wire?
> >
> >I need to go up for about 3 months solid next year and do some more
> >research.
> >
> >There are no blanket statements (which is an oxy-moron). Patterns CAN be
> >the key. Presentation CAN be the key. Color/flash CAN be the key. Size
> >CAN be the key. Combinations of any or all of these can be the key. All
of
> >what works changes with the species, seasons, weather, fishing pressure,
> >etc.
> >
> >The North Platte River is about the right fly and the right presentation
in
> >combination- in the right season, considering location, and water temp.,
> >and
> >clarity...
> >
> >Back to work,
> >DonO
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joyce's crafts and flies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:37 PM
> >Subject: [VFB] Re: presentation vs pattern/color
> >
> >
> > > An interesting discussion..and I believe both are important.
> >
> >
>
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