Is that $14 Elk-hair caddis one of Hans'? I can't think of any other reason it would cost so much. <G>
D&R DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Re: presentation vs pattern/color Don: I don't have any answers. I'm not very clever or original, and I always think I'm too old to learn new things, so I find my tying and fishing entrenched in ruts. But I do know that if you come to the Huntington Creek, I'll show you where the Browns will not take a $14 Elk-hair Caddis, but change it to a #16 and they'll make your day. Go figure. Larry J >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/04 04:00PM >>> OK, Larry, where's your comments for this discussion? You're one of the list experts. Joyce's comments are typical of so many rivers. One fly pattern can just be a killer. But could it be fished improperly and unsuccessfully, being nipped off for something different yet less effective? What if Joyce WAS using a rainbow warrior as a dropper under a dry fly and not getting anything? The originator of the pattern walks up and clobbers them in the same hole dead-drifting the same fly on a sink-tip. So when are you satisfied that a pattern isn't THE pattern? How do you know you just aren't fishing it properly? When should you retire the fly or should you try another presentation method? Getting dark- gotta decide quick- fish are rising but getting no takes- change flies or change presentation? Which one...which one.... DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: [VFB] Re: presentation vs pattern/color OK Joyce. The next time we meet to tie, will you bring your rainbow warrior for all (me) to see...? Thanks Larry J >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/27/04 08:37PM >>> An interesting discussion..and I believe both are important. But here, on the Provo (the only river I really feel I know anything about) pattern is VERY important. Try throwing any thing in size 12 or 10 and most likely you will never get a rise. Try a tiny midge, 22 or 20 and you will be very successful. These fish have had so many patterns and such big stuff thrown at them that they tend to key in on little things. One day, and I'm sure you've heard this before, I fished my favorite hole many times, used everything in my flybox and not a rise. So, I stopped at the side to try and determine what else I could try. Along came this great casting flyfisher who fished the very same hole..and with every cast caught a fish..exactly the same water as I had been fishing. I asked him, when he reached me, what he was using, and he showed me his own pattern, a Rainbow Warrior..and gave me two..one for a pattern and one to fish. (turns out he was Lance Egan and has many Utah fishing records). I tied on the Rainbow warrior, went right back into the same water, fished it exactly as I had done before and was rewarded with a fish on every cast..no change in my presentation..but a mighty change in fly. I may be old fashioned, but I do think that what you are casting is every bit as important as how you are presenting it. But..your opinion is as valid as mine is. Joyce
