Murf,

        With out a doubt man has done more in a short time than nature does.  She just does it in a more in your face action.  Floods, tornados, hurricanes, fires - those are things people remember.  That housing plan that just go put in is very detrimental.  Not only does the rain water run off get diverted from the stream, but it picks up the lovely insecticides used on the lawns as well as the fertilizer.  Salt off the cars and the roads.  If you have an older car, any oil that drips from the car.
        We also have mine drainage/subsidance in my part of PA.  Pumps run 24/7/356 to keep the bad water in and get the good water out.  The coal companies are paying for the electricity to run the pumps but are hitting the 'poor house' doing so now that those mines are not making money, but sucking it back in.  There have already been litigation here forcing the companies to keep the pumps running.  The failure of one mine here would wreck a decent trout stream and make a mess in the Allegheny River.  None of that falls under natural disaster, but can lead to a large fish kill with out a doubt and who knows how long it would take to reverse it. 

        Your camp's not that far away, but on the other side of the Appalacians however and most watersheds head east from there, not west.  I've read some of the PA Trout Stream guides and would love to spend some time out there torturing the fish that direction.  I have access to a camp literally over the mountain from Pine Grove Mills.  I have access to the 'famous' streams in that area that I have yet to catch a fish from.  I go there and get my butt handed to me by my lady's dad who has a honey hole and uses bait all the time and limits out every day.  Now this isn't a famous stream we fish in, but a stocker stream instead, but he does well there and my fly rod tends to let me down.  I have taken shots from Fisherman's Paradise and Spring Creek with my oldest daughter and want to take a fish or two to hand there before heading for more famed waters.

        Like humans, each system is different and you can handle more of one stress than I can most likely.  Size has something to do with it as well as substrate that the water flows over as well. I know that things will never be like they were, they'll never be like they are now and over time, they'll be different then.  In my opinion, the waters are good, but could be better.  Then again, almost all of US are good, but could be better.

-->Garry


At 09:32 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote:

Garry,

Okay, environment has an affect.  But how much can the system handle when man is able to do more than a hurricane?  Agnes took out a lot at my cabin's creek (Mapquest Waldheim, PA), including huge carp, spawning suckers and changed the whole system there (not THAT far from where you live).

Point?  Man has done over a short time what used to take a millenium by nature.
Murf
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