well DonO im not the tyer, and i have searched my books too, nothing matching 
your description, sorry.... but i would LOVE to see the pattern once there 
found, if you mind sharing.
   
  Mark.

DonO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
          Looking for a fly pattern or two:
   
  Went again to Miracle Mile this weekend, and the water was at high level and 
very cloudy and fast, so fishing wasn't spectacular to say the least.  If I put 
on enough weight to reach the bottom, it snagged fairly quick.
   
  Met a guy dunking worms with his 8 yr old son, and struck up a friendship.  
They were using Colorado meat rigs, i.e. fly rods with automatic reels and mono 
line, with split shot and either a crawler or a rock worm.  I gave the little 
guy some flies which included a scud, and he proceeded to catch a 3-lb sucker 
and an almost 5lb carp on the scud.  The night before he caught and landed a 
2.7lb brown on a rock worm larva.
   
  Here's the descriptions:
   
  1.  The 'rock-worm' was dark mottled gray/olive and about two inches long.  
Can't locate a pattern for it.  Looked like it might be some sort of crane-fly 
larva, but fairly dark.   I found green caddis larva patterns called 'rock 
worms' but these aren't them, as these were again 2" long.  It looks at first 
glance like an earth worm, but has the texture of a caterpillar.
   
  2.  The second was an interesting stonefly pattern found by the boy along the 
river.  It had been lost by someone, and was an excellent tie.  It was a 
'standard' curved stonefly with the bugskin overtail wrap and folded-over 
wingcases of the same material, rubber knotted legs, and lace ribbing over the 
tail for segments, and under-ribbing over the dubbing body of green wire.  It 
could have been classified as a realistic.  
   
  Here's the kicker-  Can't tell what the fly was tied on, but it had the bend 
of a large sedge-style hook, with a hump in the back where the 1st wingcase 
started.  It had a hook eye, but no underhook beyond the tail.  Instead, it had 
a small softwire (like bite leader) loop coming out the butt end with a gold 
bead slipped over the loop secure against the tail, then in the loop was a 
small heavy short-shanked hook, probably a #6, but more of a bait hook than a 
fly hook.  The hook was just loose enough in the loop behind the bead to swivel 
easily, and the bead kept it aligned and from fouling forward. The bead had the 
weight to keep the tail of the fly pointing down while drifting.
   
  I'm thinking it was tied on a sedge hook and then the bend was nipped off 
real short to the tail, and if the tail was super-glued on while tying, it 
would hold, but if it slipped (which it hadn't) the bead would hold it from 
sliding more.
   
  I think I'll draw the fly up from memory and scan it to a jpeg, if anyone 
needs to see it, but I'm hoping someone knows of the pattern and tier.  I can't 
remember seeing this fly commercially made, but I have done similar 
trailer-hook attachments, though never with a bead.  I'm not sure what to call 
it, and my net searches have turned up zip.
   
  Any help appreciated.
   
  DonO
   


       
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