Follow-up on this one... Today I broke the subject and lead it into another direction. I "contributed" with the fact that I've heard from friends (you) how stuff like this have made forums gone political overseas and are the actual reason to why several of you ended up on VFB... where the moderators are stricter about subjects unrelated to fly-tying. (A reminder that we only have one good forum in Sweden was of course incorporated.) I specifically said that it was just something to think about and I didn't want to start a debate about it myself. Of course it did... so I stuck around for a couple of hours answering a few posts and then simply pulled out, saying that I never wanted to start anything and wouldn't contribute to keeping it going either.
Apparently it took the focus from the feministic debate and I got in the crosshairs instead... and when I pulled out, there wasn't anything left to talk about. I watched the subject from the index page and the post counter stopped. Now it's removed completely... :o) /Nick On 8/23/07, Niclas Runarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My point isn't really what the thread is about. I'm aiming for what it is > NOT about. JD would have stopped it right after the second post, just > because of the nature of the post. But second post or not, he would have > done it quickly anyway. As soon as people stopped mentioning the specific > fly, which was very soon, this thread lost its (thin) link to tying... or > fishing... or anywhere near. People are writing posts which look like > pieces > of professionally written speaches. They're talking about "structual > orders > in society", "genus connotations", "cultural codes" and "behaviour based > on > homosocial togetherness". The thread´s subject line was "Girly fly" and in > the first post, the guy said that he "didn't mean the color of the wing" > (which is pink)... and believe it or not, but they even attacked that... > the > fact that "the way men associate women with pink color, is limiting them > as > persons". > > I guess they might have their points in what they are writing. Apparently > one guy has worked with this for years... another is married to a DOCTOR > in > the subject. But the proper place for a debate like this sure isn't a > fly-fishing bulletin board!!! > > After going through this thread, I'm pretty convinced that Swedish > moderators don't know much about the meaning of 'moderating'. They got a > title which made them stand out, but they never bothered to ask what it > meant. > > /Nick > > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > För > Byard Miller > Skickat: den 23 augusti 2007 21:58 > Till: [email protected] > Ämne: Re: [VFB] Raging debate in Sweden... > > > Here's another one. Ever since my daughter, Avery, was a wee lass, > her mom's pet name for her was Pookie. A few years ago my boy child > married a girl from the Philippines, where the native language is > Tagalog. Prior to Jacob's return to the States with his new family, I > purchased a Tagalog/English dictionary. Avery was quite upset upon > learning that her nickname in Tagalog, puki, was a literal > translation for a VERY private area of a woman. No one has dared call > her Pookie since! > > Byard Miller > Line's End Inc <http://www.linesend.com> > Virtual Flybox <http://www.virtualflybox.com> > > > > On Aug 23, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Allan Fish wrote: > > > WHAT A LAUGH! > > > > Differences between languages ae bad enough - but even differences > > in the same language can get one into trouble. Among the many more > > notable goofs I have made were offering to give a lady in Ireland a > > ride home. > > > > Oooops. Not in Ireland. You offer a LIFT!! A ride is something > > completely different. > > <VBG> > > > > > > a. > > > > > > > > > >> It's tragic to see... > >> > >> Yesterday a guy found the fly "Frammus" (Bob Petti) at the VFB > >> page and joked about its name on a Swedish fly-fishing forum (in > >> the tying department). In Swedish, this fly's name would mean > >> something concerning parts below a woman's waist... and what a > >> discussion that followed!!! In my opinion, it wasn't a rough joke > >> as much as just pointing out the linguistic part of it... but what > >> a debate that followed. In a little more than a day there have > >> been more than 50 posts discussing feminism, insulting women and > >> all that comes with it. The actual fly has lost its focus a long > >> time ago but the debate continues... and is covering next to > >> everything concerning the issue. > >> > >> I've been sitting thinking "We should have had JD as a moderator > >> here too!". Already the second post (which wasn't really pointing > >> out the LINGUISTIC part of the fly's name) would have been too > >> much for him. > >> > >> /Nick > > > > > > -- > > Allan Fish > > Greenwood, IN > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >
