Re: [videoblogging] Re: Wall Street Journal: Videoblogging

Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:55:58 -0800

Phenomenal response!
 Lets bring this together, expose the trials and triumphs.
Your only as good as the tools provided and your only as good as the people around you.

What can be done to neutralize the negative emotions around this subject?
 Is this a medium that can change perception?

 How easy it for us to find good content and make new people feel welcome?
With so many variables, where or how can this been taken to the next level?


Michael Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote:
Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement. 
 
 Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times. 

 Why is this? does it put a black eye  the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity?
has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression. 

  I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also.


Mick

First of all I have to agree... this is a great topic... or rather when we shift away from talking about something we can't control... the press... something I'm not even sure why we're obsessed about... what with our being our own media and all... this becomes an very interesting topic... one we should talk about from time to time. That said...

Well, since Josh Leo went from ranting about "a-list" to being one of the most popular vloggers I don't think it's as big an issue as people would make it out to be. But let's analyze anyway shall we? :)

Where does this "a-list" establishment embed itself?

1) our vlogrolls?
2) directories - most popular?
3) FireAnt's 10 default feeds?
4) the recycled hot list of names used in previous articles on vloggers in the lexis nexus dbase?
5) Where else? Our minds?

or is it just active participants in the vlogosphere

1) people who post videos a lot?
2) people who chat here a lot?
3) people who get active in lots of projects?
4) or simply people who make videos people love?

What else determines visibility... what else embeds the status quo into the system. What else indoctrinates?

How can we break the status quo?

As an example... Mefeedia is developing things like favoring, tagging, reviewing, and re-vlogging (aka. their "blog this" tool) so that anyone can quickly find and just as easily promote new vlogs and videos. And we're helping you do it because it helps us build a better directory... which is the vision of "social media"... self helping, self made... like wikipedia or any wiki... but different in form.

Sure there's still a way to see the most popular video feeds... but we can't deny people that, it has it's utility. What we can do is develop tools that create "churn"... that agitate the status quo... so that the mix of vlogs doesn't become a homogenized flow of same same...  and meanwhile you can do the same... the best way of course it revlogging... promote other peoples videos... keep an up to date vlog roll.

It's no secrete that re-vlogging is ALL I do with my blog... what's more I seek out other projects like evilvlog.com to "re-contextualize" and challenge norms and expectations... Evilvlog is now a wild and chaotic churn of media coming from all over the vlogosphere and we're going to keep adding adding editors until it implodes.. and/or people start creating their own "evilvlogs"... seek out people of shared interest and start your own multi-person vlog or blog and let's decentralize this conversation on this yahoo group a little... because it in my mind is perhaps the one thing most responsible for this cliquish insider feeling... that new visitors get... it's well beyond it's capacity... that said perhaps I shouldn't even be posting here... but to say... disperse.. find or build new fertile lands for conversation... it's completely within your power.

BTW, some other ideas on creating more churn, in addition to AWSOME collaborative re-vlogging.

Perhaps mefeedia and fireant should both create _javascript_ objects for dropping in the right hand sidebar of a vlog that would contain a list of vlogs one is currently subscribed to on mefeedia or fire ant... An up to the minute vlog roll.

Perhaps also a tool for displaying the items in one's personal queue of media or playlist... to put in the right hand side bar of their vlog.

Perhaps also a tool for displaying my recently favorited or tagged videos in the right hand side bar of my vlog.

FireANT, Vlogdir, Blip, Audi blog and others might find ways to follow suit.

These things like live vlog rolls would have a TREMENDOUS impact on search traffic and traffic flow. I would absolutely love to see what Steve Garfield, Ryanne, and Josh Leo and indeed all my friends are subscribed to at any different moment, what their tagging, what they're favoriting.  All this on the face of their vlog. The search engines would go NUTS!  

I encourage you to look for other ways of promoting the mix and churn.

The solution to this issue in my mind lies in ongoing work around the following fundamental systematic / architectural question.

How can we drive traffic out to the edges of the network and strengthen traffic and connections between those decentralized nodes?

The edges of the network are your vlogs... and the key activators are you.

Services and tools should be focusing on empowering you to build better ties with other vlogs.

So, think different.  Think Umpa lumpa!

CHURN is good, churn is great, churn is what drives the great debate.

LOL!

-Mike

On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Michael I wrote:

Uh not to flog a dead horse but I remember some time back when Josh Leo loudly said the same thing...same song, same arugement.
 
 Is this something that should be addressed? I do not know the complete tift here but reading Manchessemo's complaint here has been metioned numerous times.

 Why is this? does it put a black eye  the promotion of videoblogging? Do arugements like this leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? With this new "media" are people struggling to stay at the top? and in the mean time does this stiffle the creativity?
has it created a hierarchary instead of a anarchy? as a particpant (since August 2004) and observer it seems that it's not making the most positive impression.

  I am open to any honest and or creative disscussion. If you want to email me to mention any personal feelings I welcome that also.


Mick


ManCheeseMo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Uh, how original.  What exactly am I promoting?  I don't even have a
vlog to promote yet.

My point is that the "good ol' boy" network gets old.  If you are
buddies with the FireANT crew or if you're one of the pre-populated
vlogs, you'll get extra attention.

There are people on this board that seem to have no job other than
promoting themselves and their friends.

IMHO, many in this group live inside a bubble where vlogging is
everything to them.  The funny part is that most people don't care to
watch a person talk into a camera about mudane things.  Just wait
until the mass media catches on - then we'll really see how popular
you are(n't).

Maybe this is the new punk, but it is weak that the same people get
all the hype when their content is no more creative than anyone else.
They are just part of the in crowd (or should I say the
self-promoting crowd).

Just look how sensative they get when their "power" is questioned.

To those: get a life, or better yet, a job.

Watch, now one of the connected moderators will probably ban me from
this group.  Hasn't that happened to others who disgree with the cool
people?


--- In [email protected], "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> More shameless self-promotion by ManCheeseMo.
>
> --- In [email protected], "ManCheeseMo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > More shameless self-promotion by Garfield.
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Plus I sent her to Vlog Soup which highlights a lot of new vloggers
> > > each episode.
> > >
> > > http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/vlog_soup/index.html
> > >
> > > On Dec 16, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Devlon wrote:
> > >
> > > >  It would be nice to hear about some new videobloggers in these
> > > > articles.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --Steve
> > > --
> > > Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com
> > > Video Blog  - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com
> > > Text Blog     - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com
> > >
> > > Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution.
> > >
> >
>

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