On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
YouTube is the same way. Found this out the hard way when I uploaded two videos for DIVB-TV. :( Good thing I still have them on the Hard Drive and can store them elsewhere (like the IA). :)
Again...YouTube is much the same way. You have to jump through hurdles in order to get to the video. RSS wwas not built to handle this.
On top of that, YouTube REPRODUCES the video and puts a watermark on their version of it (which is THE ONLY one made available I might add).
The only thing I see it becoming is a STREAMING video host similar to what Lycos had back in 1999 or so. Anyone here remember that?
As is that of YouTube.
Google should just go back to being just this. A search engine.
If Google is trying to create their own version of Geocities, they're putting the cart BEFORE the horse. I mean, WHY provide hosting for things like videos if they don't even do the same for simple WEB PAGES??
Yeah what Mike said. :) Way to go dude! :)
Again...You can put YouTube in the same can for all the reasons stated above (And probably a few others I haven't even thought of too).
Part of Digital Rights Management that companies LOVE to make use of themselves, but ABSOLUTELY HATE IT when WE use it is when to agree and submit and when to just simply walk away.
You realize what you're going up against, do you Mike? (Imagining Mike holding a sign and marching protest just outside Google HQ :) *LOL!*).
Leaving Rocketboom out of this for a sec., all I'm going to do is reiterate that you can throw YouTube in the same can 'cause they do the same thing (And more as stated above).
Great speech, Mr. President. :) *LOL!*
No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a web based playback object only... in so far as people DON'T have optional donloadable/ portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't go anywhere. I LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... I'd love to revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's IT.
YouTube is the same way. Found this out the hard way when I uploaded two videos for DIVB-TV. :( Good thing I still have them on the Hard Drive and can store them elsewhere (like the IA). :)
AND that's just for starters...The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, little to no opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around with each file every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a page sharing. Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't dowload or copy 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling what you can download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it.
Again...YouTube is much the same way. You have to jump through hurdles in order to get to the video. RSS wwas not built to handle this.
On top of that, YouTube REPRODUCES the video and puts a watermark on their version of it (which is THE ONLY one made available I might add).
And yes, I'm specifically talking about google video. It's a trap... a dead end.... mark my words no future will come of google video in it's current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a toy.... it has no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. It's a walled garden... a darknet that just happens to have be "pretty"... it has NO interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not yahoo video search or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no webjay... no NOTHING.
The only thing I see it becoming is a STREAMING video host similar to what Lycos had back in 1999 or so. Anyone here remember that?
Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down media / portable / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out with a tool that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a freaking test tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK!
As is that of YouTube.
1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are what google offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search becomes a true search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the web it's nothing but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any of the larger issues of finding videos is MUTE.
Google should just go back to being just this. A search engine.
2) ...and as far as hosting... like I said... anyone is better... why bother uploading your videos when you can't even download them?
If Google is trying to create their own version of Geocities, they're putting the cart BEFORE the horse. I mean, WHY provide hosting for things like videos if they don't even do the same for simple WEB PAGES??
Closed platforms are BUNK ... they have no future... they're fundamentally inaccessible, have limited usability, no findability or searchability outside of that which is provided, and no flexibility... you get the damn play button and the slide bar because that's what google said you could have bitch ... want a timestamp... screw you... no flash plugin.. screw you... want it on your ipod...screw you... want to put it in a playlist with your other home movies... screw you... want to project it on a damn wall.. screw you... want to quote it.. .screw you... play it at your wedding, barmitzfa, family reunion... just as long as you don't mind playing it in the google web page and have a highspeed connection!ARE YOU ALL FOLLOWING ME?
Yeah what Mike said. :) Way to go dude! :)
There's this thing... it's called fair use... it's a suggestion that perhaps the creator might not have an idea of every intended use for media in the world... there's this thing called digital rights management... and don't tell me google isn't using digital rights management... you're rights to use that content are completley and totally "managed". a duck is a duck no matter what you call it.
Again...You can put YouTube in the same can for all the reasons stated above (And probably a few others I haven't even thought of too).
ANyway digital management assumes that every concieved usage for content is known... google assumes they know the one possible concieved usage of a video... and that's all you'll ever need people... if you agree... good for you... you know it's your choice... yeah, I'm being condesending here, glad you noticed.
Part of Digital Rights Management that companies LOVE to make use of themselves, but ABSOLUTELY HATE IT when WE use it is when to agree and submit and when to just simply walk away.
Google have decided you WILL watch the file in their web page in a browser with flash and that's IT PERIOD. Argue with that.. and argue that none of the other infinite possibilities matter... do it... I'm egging anyone on... I'm picking a fight... something I never do... but I won't hesitate to pick a fight on this... google video is a fucking TRAP!
You realize what you're going up against, do you Mike? (Imagining Mike holding a sign and marching protest just outside Google HQ :) *LOL!*).
Google video is just another tyrant in a long line of tyrants... I can't understand why anyone would bother? All hail the tyrant is dead! All hail the new tyrant!Yeah, I'm picking a fight on this one, I don't normally speak quite this boldly in comdemnation but, fuck google video.GOOGLE VIDEO IS A MEDIA TRAP!Got that! Ok... I saved the best for last... GOOGLE VIDEO DOESN'T WORK FOR VLOGGERS AT ALL!!! What need more I say. Argue with that! Enclose that! Stick that in your itunes, fireant, DTV, iPod, PSP... stick it in your web page... YOU CAN'T! Use google to find the videos on your blog, you're friends vlog... heh where's my videos in google... heh where's rocketbooms! Andrew, sorry to use you as an example but you started this. Are you going to upload all your rocketboom videos to google so they'll appear in google's search engine... what kind of revenue opportunities do you think you'll make from that one link google blesses your homepage with? I laught... the idea of google's utility is absurd... Google does not include vlogs in it's search... google does not allow it's videos to be vlogged! What need more be said!
Leaving Rocketboom out of this for a sec., all I'm going to do is reiterate that you can throw YouTube in the same can 'cause they do the same thing (And more as stated above).
How did I allowed myself to get sucked into this pointless discussion anyway... Google video sucks... end of story... I think I've made my point... next question please.
Great speech, Mr. President. :) *LOL!*
Cheers for now & Happy Holidays everyone :)
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