Yeah I always found the $25 a day number a little misleading too. I don't think that this accounts for the hosting and bandwidth costs either.
Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In [email protected], Michael Meiser <groups-yahoo- [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Ron Watson wrote: > > > > I would have to say that Rocketboom's numbers are a bit scary, > > especially on a production budget of next to nothing. > > I'd like to point out that the production cost of rocketboom reported > as $25 a day are not the true costs... much as I love them this is > totally misleading. This does not take into account the cost of the > space... even if it is Andrews apartment is still has a cost... the > cost of the equipment even if bought and paid for... which including > cameras and laptops may be well over $10k... and most importantly the > coast of Andrew's and Amanda's time... which is most definitely well > over $100k a year... or they are seriously undervaluing their talent. :) > > I always keep my time and equipment costs in mind in whatever I do > and try to minimize them in whatever I do... to lie to yourself about > such costs can be very costly. > > > Imagine if a bunch of Democracy Now's sprung up and got similar to > > 'broadcast' numbers... What if we had a bunch of pro-peace Vloggers > > publishing regularly in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq? What if > > they were really good? > > I think Democracy Now and pro-peace bloggers would have to seriously > reshape their image to capture that kind of market... it requires > some real polish and talent but I really think it can be done... To > find out what I'm talking about check out the Viridian Design > Movement - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viridian_Design_Movement - > and it's WorldChaning.org > > As a friend of mine would say... think "green is sexy"... think > "poltics is sexy"... think "intelligence is sexy"... now drill that > point home. I think this was Peta's aim when they highered that one > baywatch chick what's her name... unimportant... anyway... wether it > has worked or not is questionable. > > > I think that this medium, while it will probably never take over > > from corporate media, is earth shattering. It gives people, for > > next to nothing, regular old people, the right to be heard. It does > > so with moving pictures, which has been pretty much the sole realm > > of corporate media since moving pictures were created. > > > > Exactly. > > > If a picture tells a thousand words, how many does a well made film > > piece tell? > > > > Regular people simply are not allowed to say that much. > > Pessimist. pick up you're camera or mic or pen... we're listening. :) > > > You can only say that much if you are making money on it, or if you > > have the money to buy it. You have to earn the right to speak that > > loud. > > > > What does the media stand to lose to Vlogging? Billions in lost ad > > revenue? Control over information? Exclusivity? Maybe their > > customers will develop their own distribution system and cut them > > out entirely instead of making billion dollar ad buys? Who knows? > > But one thing is for sure, we threaten them, lots. > > I think actually... I have this weird theory... that they ironically > have much to gain... but much like all my ideas it's wholy > unsubstantiated.... Except for what's happening in the blogging and > news world with certain large newspapers and certain hyper local ones > that are getting the hang of how to work with bloggers not against > them. Also it's being discussed as an aspect of long tail theory... I > call it the "breadth vs. depth" debate... My point is as the breadth > of media widens... there will also be tremendous growth and at least > some of that growth will happen in the mainstream media tool.... Why? > because intellectual property markets are "appreciative" goods... > meaning the more people are aware of them and appreciate them... the > more value they gain. Our media industry is big... but it doesn't > have access to the rest of the world market... ironically as it's > decentralized and deregulated it will be introduced to vast new > markets... vast new markets with a new appreciation for American > Film... We're seeing this for example with the NY Times and > Washington post... I think their value and indeed their markets are > larger than ever in this world of millions of bloggers... we need > sources of record now more than ever... They may not steer the > debate any longer (not that they have for the last half the century, > radio then TV took over)... but they are now the recorders and > aggregators and pulse takers of the conversation. And as the NYTimes > pay only archive indicates they think their historical record is > where their value is at... though... I'm not totally agreeing on that. > > Peace, > > -Mike > mmeiser.com/blog > and evilvlog.com > > > ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 24, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: > > > >> there is some copacetic room and we are not to be feared as much > >> as some think. > >> the technology is helping to level and balance media distribution > >> but nothing will get toppled. > >> we are not going to blow there house down. we are just playing in > >> the same space in our own houses. > >> > >> > >> On 12/24/05, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> (from a link from the link below) http://www.ipdemocracy.com / > >> > >> Therefore, if a content or application provider wants higher- > >> speed, higher quality delivery to the customer, some kind of > >> access payment would apply. What's interesting is not this issue > >> it's been widely reported but a statement by an AT&T spokesman, > >> one which hints at a possible new tack by the telcos in resolving > >> to their favor the net neutrality fight. > >> > >> "Our IP [Internet protocol] video service is not the same thing as > >> the Internet," AT&T spokesman Mike Balmoris said. He said AT&T > >> would permit unfettered access on the Internet portion of its > >> network. > >> This distinction between "the Internet" and IP video could be the > >> next nuance in the broadband providers' fight for the right to > >> pick and choose among IP-based applications. By dubbing video- > >> based services as "not the Internet," or by creating different > >> tiers on the network ( i.e. the Internet tier, the IP video tier, > >> maybe, even, the VoIP tier), broadband providers have a better > >> chance of crafting network neutrality rules that nonetheless > >> ensure their abilities to discriminate among the most problematic > >> new IP-based services, namely those that entail video. > >> > >> > >> > >> Right here is the real problem with the Google Trap. > >> > >> Once again we will get screwed by the need for advertisements. > >> Anyone remember the Information Superhighway? So democratic, so > >> empowering for people; every man a publisher, where did that go? > >> > >> The same place that vlogging is going to go if we are not careful. > >> > >> I have been posting video online since 1998, you know back in the > >> days of the Information Superhighway, and back then, in Dallas, a > >> T1 line was $800. > >> > >> Enter eBusiness and what happened? Bandwidth tripled in a year. > >> Just like that, I was priced out of the game. The reason I was > >> priced out of the game is that, unlike AOL, or Viacom, I ACTUALLY > >> HAVE TO PAY FOR MY BANDWIDTH, I cannot write it off, or if I could > >> right it off, I could not afford the $30k/year to run Frisbeedog > >> videos. > >> > >> This is exactly where the Google Advision model will take us. We > >> will have tiers: corporate tier: secure, big, fast, high quality > >> and then there will be the dipshit tier, which we will all operate > >> on, except for maybe Rocketboom (nice infomercial they did the > >> other day, eh?) and the others lucky enough to get corporate play. > >> > >> My guess is that it will be the security issues that are used to > >> do us in as a force in media. That and the delegitimizing "forget > >> about that dog chasing his tail" and "quality programming" > >> comments coming from techie analysts. You can expect many more > >> 'darknet' horror stories and security concerns. > >> > >> We are the number one threat to corporatism. We threaten corporate > >> power by the ease and scope of our little 'dog chasing tail' > >> videos, and the 'dog chasing tail' or 'drunk college kid' videos > >> combined with security issues are going to weaken us to the point > >> that we will have to take the second tier for lack of public > >> support and understanding. > >> > >> Will vlogging go the way of the Information Superhighway? I hope > >> not, but it sure looks that way. > >> > >> Hate to be such a downer, but we are going to face serious > >> problems in this medium, and the lack of understanding of > >> corporatism and media are going to be serious problems. Rocketboom > >> on Tivo scared me a bit. The commentary from the link below scares > >> me even more. > >> > >> ron > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Dec 24, 2005, at 2:37 AM, David Cronshaw wrote: > >> > >>> Let's all for a moment take off our community videoblogging hats > >>> and put on a Google Video business hat. Om Malik has a good > >>> perspective as to what Google Video is intending to do... > >>> > >>> http://gigaom.com/2005/12/15/google-video-a-new-cash-machine/ > >>> > >>> bdc > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In [email protected], Michael Sullivan > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > no offense taken ;-) now i'll read your latest brain dump. > >>> > > >>> > note: i dont like google video. > >>> > note: i still see the potential of flv in our space. > >>> > note: i would never encourage any vlogger to only use flv/ > >>> swf... thats very > >>> > poor decision. wont reiterate my past babble though ;-) > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 12/23/05, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > No offense Sull, but enclosing FLV is a pipe dream... it's a > >>> web based > >>> > > playback object only... in ! so far as people DON'T have > >>> optional donloadable/ > >>> > > portable/ OPEN / enclosable formats also available it won't > >>> go anywhere. I > >>> > > LOVE the fact FireANT mac supports it, I wish everyone did... > >>> I'd love to > >>> > > revlog some of my favorite flash... but Fireant mac... that's > >>> IT. > >>> > > AND that's just for starters... > >>> > > > >>> > > The format is CLOSED, CLOSED, CLOSED... there is no remixing, > >>> little to no > >>> > > opportunity to format shift... no way to even ensure the FLV is > >>> > > downloadable, copyable or shareable without screwing around > >>> with each file > >>> > > every time. And no I don't consider giving someone a url to a > >>> page sharing. > >>> > > Sharing involves a taking into posession... and you can't > >>> dowload or copy > >>> > > 50% of all flash media.. and furthermore there's no telling > >>> what you can > >>> > > download and copy unless you know what you're doing and try it. > >>> > > And yes, I'm specifically t! alking about google video. It's > >>> a trap... a > >>> > > d ead end.... mark my words no future will come of google > >>> video in it's > >>> > > current state, not without a 180 change in direction. It's a > >>> toy.... it has > >>> > > no outward looking search... and nothing else can search it. > >>> It's a walled > >>> > > garden... a darknet that just happens to have be "pretty"... > >>> it has NO > >>> > > interoperability with any other service whatsoever... not > >>> yahoo video search > >>> > > or infoseek... no blogging or video podcasting... no > >>> webjay... no NOTHING. > >>> > > > >>> > > Untill they provide media permalinks to non-locked down > >>> media / portable > >>> > > / dowloadable / encloseable media... and untill they roll out > >>> with a tool > >>> > > that searches video on the other 99.999% of the web it's a > >>> freaking test > >>> > > tube toy and I don't even care. It's relevance is BUNK! > >>> > > I mean where would google's legendary web page search be > >>> today if they'd > >>> > > say, heh! we're offering web hosting and our s! earch is > >>> going to work for the > >>> > > pages we host? Plus noone else can search our web pages! > >>> We're going to > >>> > > rock the world! With WHAT I'd say... the search has no value > >>> when it > >>> > > doesn't search the other 99.999% of the web and the hosting > >>> doesn't work > >>> > > when anything uploaded is completely trapped in their system > >>> and not > >>> > > accessible for anything more than looking pretty... do not be > >>> confused by > >>> > > the slick little flash interface. They're doing what for the > >>> search of video > >>> > > I ask! NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! > >>> > > > >>> > > 1) Google video is no search solution... search solutions are > >>> what google > >>> > > offers... IT'S their CORE SERVICE... untill google search > >>> becomes a true > >>> > > search solution and you can find videos on the whole of the > >>> web it's nothing > >>> > > but a malformed test tube baby. It's potential to solve any > >>> of the larger > >>> > > issues of finding videos i! s MUTE. > >>> > > > >>> > > 2) ...and as far as host ing... like I said... anyone is > >>> better... why > >>> > > bother uploading your videos when you can't even download > >>> them? Forget the > >>> > > FLV issue... these are YOUR videos... how are you going to > >>> share these > >>> > > videos... bookmark them with delicious and go to them one by > >>> one!? Email > >>> > > around urls! Heh this isn't spam I swear it... check out my > >>> video! Great, > >>> > > awesome for you. How am I going to comment on these videos... > >>> how am I > >>> > > going to quote them... "you know about half way in when you > >>> do that one > >>> > > thing"... great! Can you put them on your blog and make ad > >>> revene from them? > >>> > > WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU DO WITH THEM? ... oh... you can LOOK > >>> at them... oh > >>> > > so pretty in their impenatrable glass boxes... completely > >>> inaccessible for > >>> > > anything other than looking at... heh... you can always > >>> screen snap them! > >>> > > Now that's all we're doing here in the vlog world, right... > >>> it's jus! t stuff > >>> > > to "look at" that's all, right? It's not anything more than > >>> just looking, > >>> > > right? I create stuff for people to look at... heh... look at > >>> that... look > >>> > > at this.. I looked at that... did you look at that? It's > >>> right there on > >>> > > google video for you to look at. > >>> > > > >>> > > These google videos fundamentally locked down to google's > >>> pages... think > >>> > > of them as googles whores... it makes about as much sense as > >>> the Music > >>> > > industry buying into Apple's DRM and then bitching, why the > >>> heck does this > >>> > > only work with the ipod!? Why should apple have a monopoly? > >>> Why... because > >>> > > you wanted it non-interroperable you fucks and that's what > >>> you got! Wake up > >>> > > and smell the coffee. > >>> > > > >>> > > Closed platforms are BUNK ... they have no future... they're > >>> fundamentally > >>> > > inaccessible, have limited usability, no findability or > >>> searchability > >>> > > ! outside of that which is provided, and no flexibility... y > >>> ou get the damn > >>> > > play button and the slide bar because that's what google said > >>> you could have > >>> > > bitch ... want a timestamp... screw you... no flash plugin.. > >>> screw you... > >>> > > want it on your ipod...screw you... want to put it in a > >>> playlist with your > >>> > > other home movies... screw you... want to project it on a > >>> damn wall.. screw > >>> > > you... want to quote it.. .screw you... play it at your > >>> wedding, barmitzfa, > >>> > > family reunion... just as long as you don't mind playing it > >>> in the google > >>> > > web page and have a highspeed connection! > >>> > > > >>> > > ARE YOU ALL FOLLOWING ME? There's this thing... it's called > >>> fair use... > >>> > > it's a suggestion that perhaps the creator might not have an > >>> idea of every > >>> > > intended use for media in the world... there's this thing > >>> called digital > >>> > > rights management... and don't tell me google isn't using > >>> digital rights > >>> > > management... you're ri! ghts to use that content are > >>> completley and totally > >>> > > "managed". a duck is a duck no matter what you call it. > >>> ANyway digital > >>> > > management assumes that every concieved usage for content is > >>> known... google > >>> > > assumes they know the one possible concieved usage of a > >>> video... and that's > >>> > > all you'll ever need people... if you agree... good for > >>> you... you know it's > >>> > > your choice... yeah, I'm being condesending here, glad you > >>> noticed. > >>> > > > >>> > > Google have decided you WILL watch the file in their web page > >>> in a browser > >>> > > with flash and that's IT PERIOD. Argue with that.. and argue > >>> that none of > >>> > > the other infinite possibilities matter... do it... I'm > >>> egging anyone on... > >>> > > I'm picking a fight... something I never do... but I won't > >>> hesitate to pick > >>> > > a fight on this... google video is a fucking TRAP! > >>> > > > >>> > > So, why bother with a born loser... And I do mean bo! rn > >>> loser... still > >>> > >>> > > born, whatever you want to call it... unless google suddently > >>> does a 180 one > >>> > > day out of the blue and says we bless they merry gentleman > >>> with media > >>> > > permalinks... to direct downloadable files... and stops > >>> limiting their > >>> > > search to only videos people have uploaded to them I could > >>> care less about > >>> > > their service... I'm going to go use an OPEN hosting service > >>> like blip or > >>> > > archive.org... something ACCESSIBLE... and a search tool like > >>> yahoo that > >>> > > allows me to find things on the other 99.999% of the web. > >>> > > > >>> > > Google video is just another tyrant in a long line of > >>> tyrants... I can't > >>> > > understand why anyone would bother? All hail the tyrant is > >>> dead! All hail > >>> > > the new tyrant! > >>> > > > >>> > > Yeah, I'm picking a fight on this one, I don't normally speak > >>> quite this > >>> > > boldly in comdemnation but, fuck google video. > >>> > > > >>> > > GOOGLE VIDEO IS A MEDIA TRAP! > >>> > > > >>> ! > > Got that! Ok... I saved the best for last... GOOGLE VIDEO > >>> DOESN'T WORK FOR > >>> > > VLOGGERS AT ALL!!! What need more I say. Argue with that! > >>> Enclose that! > >>> > > Stick that in your itunes, fireant, DTV, iPod, PSP... stick > >>> it in your web > >>> > > page... YOU CAN'T! Use google to find the videos on your > >>> blog, you're > >>> > > friends vlog... heh where's my videos in google... heh > >>> where's rocketbooms! > >>> > > Andrew, sorry to use you as an example but you started this. > >>> Are you going > >>> > > to upload all your rocketboom videos to google so they'll > >>> appear in google's > >>> > > search engine... what kind of revenue opportunities do you > >>> think you'll make > >>> > > from that one link google blesses your homepage with? I > >>> laught... the idea > >>> > > of google's utility is absurd... Google does not include > >>> vlogs in it's > >>> > > search... google does not allow it's videos to be vlogged! > >>> What need more > >>> > > be said! > >>> > >> > How did I allowed myself to get sucked into thi s > >>> pointless discussion > >>> > >>> > > anyway... Google video sucks... end of story... I think I've > >>> made my > >>> > > point... next question please. > >>> > > > >>> > > -Mike > >>> > > > >>> > > On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:52 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > flash video has grown on me. > >>> > > i used to spit on it in relation to videoblogging/vodcasting. > >>> > > the one gripe that still prevails is that you cant remix > >>> it.... so it > >>> > > excudes that part of this culture. which sucks bad. you could > >>> transcode flv > >>> > > to mp4 of course, but its another step and potential lossy > >>> issues. > >>> > > > >>> > > but, flv has a very important role that should not be ignored > >>> by anyone... > >>> > > businesses focus on it for good reason. > >>> > > you may not be able to remix it easily, but you can share > >>> it...and > >>> > > everyone can play it online and soon offline playback will be > >>> mor ecommon > >>> > > too. > >>> > >> > and as soon as XSPF video player is ready, that will be huge. > >>> > > even without XSPF, there are other xml playlist formats that > >>> flv players > >>> > > use. > >>> > > playlists, in my opinion, are a huge part of our culture. > >>> revlogs are > >>> > > playlists. metafeeds are playlists etc. > >>> > > > >>> > > even fireant and others will eventually have proper support > >>> for flv > >>> > > playback if not already. > >>> > > imagine if flv played on the video iPod. it could if *they* > >>> chose to > >>> > > allow it. > >>> > > maybe macromedia or some other company will one day come out > >>> with a device > >>> > > that does? imagine that. some cell phones already do, right? > >>> > > > >>> > > sull > >>> > > > >>> > > On 12/23/05, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I was never meaning to suggest Flash is the way to go for > >>> most people > >>> > > > > and also I didn't even expect hotlinking, ! etc into > >>> one's website or > >>> > > > > aggregato r. I wasn't suggesting anyone on this list drop > >>> anything for > >>> > > > > Google. > >>> > > > > I really only just brought it up as a stepping stone for > >>> newbees or > >>> > > > > people who would want to do video without a committed > >>> life of > >>> > > > > videoblogging. > >>> > > > > I think its a good and easy way to get your videos online > >>> if you are > >>> > > > > not a hard core videoblogger. I think its much easier > >>> than any other > >>> > > > > solution, its dependable and fast and it seems like its a > >>> nice > >>> > > > > sandbox for people who would like to experiment with the > >>> idea of > >>> > > > > having video that they make online. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > agreed. > >>> > > > maybe gogle might connect google video with blogger one day. > >>> > > > all the pieces are there. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > i was just bringing up the flash discussion...becasue i see > >>> that its> > > becoming very popular in some circles. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > jay > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > -- > >>> > > > Adventures in Videoblogging > >>> > > > <URL: http://www.momentshowing.net> > >>> > > > < http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing > > >>> > > > <http://getFireAnt.com> > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Yahoo! 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