Thanks for roping me in, Mike. We'd be very interested in supporting additional microformats that would map to Media RSS elements in the feed. Ideally, it would be nice to just define a scheme so that we can determine which elements could be added as attributes to the media:content element (like @medium and @duration) and which would be appropriate child elements (like media:thumbnail/@url or media:credit elements). Rather than having to enumerate each and every potential element or attribute, it might be more flexible -- though maybe too geeky -- to just define that generic microformat mapping.
As you mentioned, this has been on our roadmap for a while, so if this idea gains some momentum we can push to get it out sooner rather than later. Eric Lunt CTO, FeedBurner --- In [email protected], Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We currently use rel="enclosure" in cross-posts, but we don't and can't > use rel="thumbnail" because (afaik) images in XHTML don't have a rel > attribute. I'd be very hesitant to use something like class="thumbnail" > because of potentially conflicting CSS on remote sites (we prefix class > names in cross-posts with a namespace like "blip_" to avoid conflicts). > I'm not sure what the proper approach to attaching semantically > important information to images is, but that's all the more reason why > this conversation is more important for the microformats-discuss list > than the videoblogging list. > > The only way that a standard for additional metadata will be adopted is > if FeedBurner is on board. As I said in my previous e-mail, I've > discussed this with them and they're gung-ho for the idea but don't have > room in their roadmap right now. At blip we're ready to go with it, > though. We'll add whatever microformats we have to so that the > blip->cross-post->FeedBurner->MediaRSS workflow works best. > > We're more than happy to do support this in code before FeedBurner > does... so if FB agrees to support a microformat standard at some point > in the future we'll add support to it in our code immediately. > > If I had my druthers, Kevin Marks from Technorati, Lisa Rein from Dabble > and Eric Lunt from FeedBurner would be part of this conversation and we > could settle on a solution very quickly. So I've gone ahead and CC'd > all of them (and also CC'd Video Vertigo, which most of them are on). > > Yours, > > Mike > blip.tv > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Good question jay, > > > > Does anyone know if Moveabletype, blogger, or Wordpress support > > mediaRSS? Has anyone created a plugin perhaps for MT or Wordpress? > > > > I've realized one of the primary issues with the mediaRSS spec is that > > when you're righting a post there's no quick markup to specify > > metadata IN the post. Specifically for example I was going to propose > > a series of Microstandards like "rel=thumbnail" so people could > > semanticly specify metadata in their post. > > > > For example when you specify the image to represent your video in the > > page you'd specify it like this. > > > > <img src="http://acme.com/yourthumbnail.gif > > <http://acme.com/yourthumbnail.gif>" rel="thumbnail"> > > > > As some may have noticed one of the biggest issues we have with > > mefeedia is generating tens of thousands of email a day. One of the > > things I've realized is that MOST people are specifying a > > representative thumbnail in their post, they're just not specified in > > the mediaRSS. > > > > I think we're going to adopt this rel=thumbnail standard pretty quick > > on mefeedia. > > > > But if we can also just get a few providers on board like feedburner, > > blip.tv, dabble and a few others we could creat much prettier and more > > usefull feeds really quick. > > > > A couple examples. > > > > 1) if feedburner jumps on board identifying thumbnails based on the > > rel=thumbnail standard they can also specify those thumbnails in > > mediaRSS and aggregatory tools like democracy, itunes, mefeedia, > > fireant or whomever recognizes mediaRSS will immediately start > > displaying the thumbnails you specify in your blog instead of randomly > > pulling their own. > > > > 2) This is particularly an interesting issue with people hosting > > their videos on blip. Blip does allow you to specify a thumbnail for > > each video, and they DO put it in your blip feed. However, 99% of all > > people using blip don't use blip's feed, they cross post from blip to > > their video blog where such meta information as the thumbnail is not > > semantically specified. By semantically specified I mean the image is > > just genrically specified in the page and the aggregator can't assume > > to know what it is. > > > > The point is as a result all the blip feeds look great on mefeedia, > > but all people's primary feeds have no thumbnails specified. > > > > If blip specified the thumbnails using the "rel=thumbnail" standard > > when crossposting to people's vlogs that information would make it > > into the RSS feed where it could be picked up by any aggregator. > > > > The bottom line is this... more semantic data = a prettier and more > > useful vlogosphere for everyone. > > > > So... who's with me? Josh K? Mike H., Justin, and the Blippers? Lisa > > Rien, Mary Hodder and the dabblers? Do we have someone representing > > feedburner here? > > > > On top of this I'd like to take a look at what other information is > > getting specified in blog posts, such as that that blip is collecting, > > that's not making it into the mediaRSS and why not. > > > > Again, 99% of vloggers specify a thumbnail in their blog post, but > > these thumbnails aren't making it into the mediaRSS because there's no > > way to semantically specify it in the blog post. Rel=thumbnail is the > > simplest way i can think of to accomplish this. > > > > Jay, you said you recently took a look at mediaRSS. What sort of > > metadata are you talking about, what metadata do you want to specify? > > Can you give a few examples of what your clients might find > > particularly interesting? > > > > I'm afraid that other than developing this and other microstandards > > that can be specified right in the blog post, rich meta information > > will continue to get missed untill the major blogging platforms like > > Blogger, Wordpress, and Moveable type support mediaRSS by default. > > > > Oh, and you should also note that Yahoo video search will pick up > > these thumnails too if we can get feedburner to support this proposed > > RelThumbnail standard. > > > > Are there any other major search engines or services I'm forgetting > > about that aggregate mediaRSS for search and such? > > > > -Mike > > mefeedia.com > > mmeiser.com/blog > >
