Thanks, although I could be accused of contradicting myself slightly. People could argue that the reason they are strict on what counts as a videoblog, is that they also feel 'how they communicate with others and feedback' is important, and the technologies that a blog provides are enablers for this stuff.
Thinking about youtube again, although it may not offer all the features necessary to be deemed a blogging platform, it can be used by people to add video to their blog pages hosted elsewhere. What youtube definately falls foul of is people who believe that synication and aggregation are core features of videoblogging, as youtube officially doesnt want people downloading the videos. This also makes it an unsuitable choice of host for those wishing to give creative commons rights to people. Returning to Patricks main point, Id say theres value for some people to use youtube for sure. If you seek the audience it provides, and/or want a lot of feedback, and the chance that any of your videos could become very 'popular' overnight, and you dont mind some abuse from adolescents and drunk people, give it a try on its own or in parallel with hosting your vids elsewhere. Cheers and definately goodnight from me as its now 4.06AM and the vodka's kicking in ;) Steve Elbows --- In [email protected], "David King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You said "and the humans, what they say > and how they communicate with others and feedback is what really > attracts me to all this, not any one particular way of doing this stuff." > > Very good point! > > David > > On 1/5/07, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This stuff is a wide open mess as well. Past discussions show that > > different people have different ideas about what counts as a videoblog. > > > > Purists of one sort or another may claim that some or all of the > > folloing are necessary for something to be a 'genuine videoblog': > > > > Comments > > Permalinks > > Downloadable/aggregatable content & associated feeds > > Video always shown in context along with text part of blog > > Any other feature Ive forgotten to include taht could be sen as an > > essential part of what a blog is > > > > Personally Ive always believed that language definiton purists arent > > the ones who get to decide what a label comes to mean to the masses in > > the fullness of time. > > > > Ive also ranted briefly in the past about the dangers of disregarding > > youtubers etc as 'not the genuine article' because of technical > > features their service of choice may or may not provide, can be a > > slippery slope towards coming across as snobbish or elitist. > > > > Whatever youtube is, its certainly more than just a place to store > > video. They have some active social networking aspects, and far more > > text comments on a lot of videos, and video responses/conversations, > > than I see anywhere else on the net. > > > > My personal stance may be tainted by the fact I have always thought > > deep down that the blogosphere can be a bit 'up itself' sometimes, > > partly because I hate the 'superstar blogger' phenomenon and partly > > because I was enjoying the words of human beings via mailing lists and > > forums long before blogging came to be, and the humans, what they say > > and how they communicate with others and feedback is what really > > attracts me to all this, not any one particular way of doing this stuff. > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > --- In [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "David King" <davidleeking@> > > wrote: > > > > > > But - people who store video at Youtube and/or myspace ARE NOT > > > VIDEOBLOGGERS. Videoblogging resembles podcasting in that you need > > something > > > that's downloadable, that uses a podcasting/videocasting > > aggregator... and > > > can do this automatically to your ipod/video/mp3 player of choice. > > > > > > And youtube doesn't do that. Myspace is a little different - it's a geek > > > world of it's own, with RSS, bulletins, pics, videos, etc... but > > Youtube is > > > simply a storage place for video (and not the best one, either). > > > > > > Just some thoughts > > > > > > David > > > > > > On 1/5/07, Patrick Cook <patsvideoblog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi everyone: > > > > > > > > First off....Been offline due to computer problems (And economical > > > > problems associated with them). Had to replace my old HD and am just > > > > now getting around to putting everything i previously had before on > > > > the new one. :( > > > > > > > > Anyhow....Here's a little food for thought.... > > > > > > > > Is it just me or is there really a difference as to HOW one posts > > videos? > > > > > > > > I personally don't see the difference. And with places like YouTube > > > > and MySpace video becoming more and more recognizable as THE place to > > > > store videos like places like flickr have become for storing pictures, > > > > does the average Joe Blow "Do-It-Yourself" videoblogger like many of > > > > us here (I won't name names as I think we all know who we are in this > > > > area :) ) who encodes using Quicktime and uploads the QT videos to > > > > his/her own web server/space really have a chance of getting noticed? > > > > If so, by whom? > > > > > > > > My answer to those questions would be ONLY BY THOSE WHO GOOGLE THE > > > > TERM "VIDEOBLOG" (Without the quotes of course :) ). > > > > > > > > I'm thinking at this point that we as videobloggers may have to start > > > > rethinking the way we post videos to our sites and how we encode them > > > > as well. I say this NOT because I happen to think that what many of > > > > us are doing is "sub-standard" or "inept", but let's face it folks - > > > > We can't simply laugh off at places like YouTube and the (Admittedly > > > > often silly) people who frequent those places. > > > > > > > > And that doesn't even include the publicity those places get from > > > > sources like G4 TV (and maybe Current TV as well for all I know). > > > > > > > > Now I'm not saying that everyone should all just switch to using a > > > > so-called "viral" video portal outlet and post the output video from > > > > there onto your vlog. But we shouldn't just simply ignore them > > > > either. > > > > > > > > I dunno. Maybe I'm not making any sense here. Then again....Am I? > > > > > > > > Thoughts? Comments? Flames? Tar? Feathers? ALL OF THE ABOVE (Gulp!)? > > > > > > > > Cheers :D > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Pat Cook > > > > Host - Pat's VideoCast > > > > Denver, Colorado > > > > WEBSITES - Pat's VideoCast - http://www.freewebtown.com/patsvideocast/ > > > > Pat's Health & Medical Wonders VideoCast - > > > > http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ > > > > DIVB-TV | The Dumbass Idiots VideoBlog - > > > > http://dumbassidiots.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > David King > > > davidleeking.com - blog > > > http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > David King > davidleeking.com - blog > http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
