Hi sull and all, 1) MediaRSS is what is preferred and chosen above alternatives b/c that is the standard. It would be great if all blogging platforms, feed providers, hosting providers, et all use the media:thumbnail standard. :)
2) However, since there are platforms that do NOT support media:thumbnail, what Mike is proposing is that videobloggers could use the <img src="" rel=thumbnail> as an alternative... Hope that clarifies. Would be great for videobloggers to always have beautiful thumbs throughout the vlogosphere. :) -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Y: fsinton Skype: fsinton http://www.mefeedia.com - Find, Watch, and Share great videoblogs and podcasts. Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In [email protected], sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to "rel" > > > I would hope and assume that Andreas would likewise stress the use of > media:thumbnail. > > Ok, a discussion about mediaRSS came up here months ago and I chimed in. > It involved mediaRSS and Drupal. I think it was the thread that Mike Hudack > said that we would all be better off if Drupal didnt exist (though I hear > there is a blip drupal plugin coming out ;). > Anyway, Mike Meiser... you had said something to the effect that mediaRSS > has failed us (videobloggers). > I disagreed and simply pointed out that the culture is catching up with the > need and usefulness of mediaRSS. > > So here we are again talking about different ways to do things instead of > using what took months to spec out by an open group initiated by yahoo > (andreas included). I understand the angle you are looking at this... I > do. > But I dont want the emphasis to be misplaced entirely away from furthering > support of mediaRSS. > > Now I wont deny the idea to stick in a rel or class=thumbnail. I am fine > with such semantics. But I just want to stress to you that if anyone is > going to become a voice, collective or not, to encourage videobloggers to > markup their posts in a way that defines a thumbnail.... and you want to get > hundreds and thousands of people doing this.... then how can we not put > efforts into getting media:thumbnail to be more widely used in conjunction > with your proposal? That's all I am suggesting here. A prioritzation of > sorts. Just focusing on rel or class markup can even be a step backward to > getting mediaRSS more widely used. I'd like to avoid that. > > Alright so most people use Wordpress, correct? I typically do not but since > it is popular, I am going to reiterate what I mentioned months ago about how > to use wordpress custom fields to output mediaRSS... no plugin needed. But > I will also search for nicer plugins instead of modifying the WP code. > > Drafting this... be right back ;) > > Back. > > http://www.vastmachine.com/blog/?p=4 > > Alright, i spent 10 minutes. one-click install of wordpress from dreamhost. > added a custom field during my first post called 'thumbnail' and added a url > to image. > edited wp-rss2.php with a few new lines of code. > > http://www.vastmachine.com/blog/?feed=rss2 > > view source. media:thumbnail is in there. > > validates: > < > http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.vastmachine.com%2Fblog%2F%3Ffeed%3Drss2 > > > > Not so hard. I attached the wp-rss2.php to that post. Id rather tell > wordpress vloggers to try this before telling them to markup their posts > with thumbnail semantics. but both are good to do. thumbs are important. > no doubt. > > sull > > On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 2/9/07, billshackelford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<bshackelford% 40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > sull <sulleleven@> wrote: > > > > > > > > nah. > > > > encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. > > > > > > > > and consider using blip feeds (blip users). > > > > > > > > sull > > > > > > > > You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. > > > > This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or thing. > > When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark something > > up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're actually > > coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL > > wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS feed... > > heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the thumbnail > > field of the RSS feed. > > > > Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds > > instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far more > > than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and > > blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from others. > > That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their > > delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. > > > > Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of disapointed in > > the responses. > > > > Other than the fact that there is no "rel" atribute to <img> there's > > no reason not to do this. > > > > Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to "rel", or perhaps I'd > > like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really matter if > > there's no rel attribute to <img src>? What's wrong with extending > > it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping > > with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and many > > others. > > > > Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with extending > > HTML with a rel standard? > > > > If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? > > > > class="media-thumbnail" ? > > > > I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need something the > > everyday people can understand... getting people to make the jump from > > rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to remember... > > these are not coders they're bloggers. > > > > -Mike > > mefeedia.com > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <groups-yahoo-com@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat > > > > > thing... > > > > > and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary > > > > > problem > > > > > first. > > > > > > > > > > I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> > > > > > > > > > > It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually using > > this > > > > > somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. > > > > > > > > > > It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, > > rel=enclosure, > > > > > rel=payment and a host of others. > > > > > > > > > > It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds > > like > > > > > audio, > > > > > and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. > > > > > > > > > > Any objections to this? > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <duthied@ <duthied%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey all. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have > > tried to > > > > > > catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked > > > before.... > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails for > > their > > > > > > entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the > > > > > > 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item > > > > > > elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more new > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Devlon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]<videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com> > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise very > > hight > > > > > > > percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not > > > > > > > "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not specified > > in > > > > > > > standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and search > > sites > > > > > > > like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... > > eclosures > > > > > > > can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a > > microformat > > > > > > > standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for huge amounts > > of > > > > > > > supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no > > > > > > > "rel=thumnail". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify > > thumbnails > > > in > > > > > > > blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media > > Microformat. > > > > > > > It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for people > > who > > > > > > > use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and > > others, > > > but > > > > > > > it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when > > > > > > > you're writing a blog post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media microformat > > as > > > well > > > > > > > as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, so it > > may > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions > > about > > > > > > that, I'm > > > > > > > > sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a big > > new > > > > > > > > > release of the FireAnt website in February. This new release > > > will > > > > > > > > > support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if they > > are > > > > > > included > > > > > > > > > in the link to the video enclosure file like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"><img > > > > > > > > > src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from > > MeFeedia, > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new > > website > > > > > > > > > update that will address this along with many other bug > > fixes > > > > > > and new > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://FireAnt.tv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, billshackelford > > > > > > > > <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems they > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > utilize the Yahoo Media > > > > > > > > > > RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If there > > is a > > > > > > legal > > > > > > > > > reason.. why don't they > > > > > > > > > > just come up with their own namespace? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I read something about FireAnt getting > > thumbnails > > > from > > > > > > > > > Mefeedia but my > > > > > > > > > > thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have my > > > > > > thumbnails > > > > > > > > > show up on FireAnt? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my channel on FireAnt: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > billshackelford.com podcast > > > > > > > > > > http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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