yep, agreed and agreed. like i said, the effort should involve promoting both. same page ;)
On 2/10/07, Frank Sinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi sull and all, > > 1) MediaRSS is what is preferred and chosen above alternatives b/c > that is the standard. It would be great if all blogging platforms, > feed providers, hosting providers, et all use the media:thumbnail > standard. :) > > 2) However, since there are platforms that do NOT support > media:thumbnail, what Mike is proposing is that videobloggers could > use > the <img src="" rel=thumbnail> as an alternative... > > Hope that clarifies. Would be great for videobloggers to always have > beautiful thumbs throughout the vlogosphere. :) > > -Frank > > Frank Sinton > CEO, Mefeedia > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <frank%40mefeedia.com> > Y: fsinton > Skype: fsinton > > http://www.mefeedia.com - Find, Watch, and Share great videoblogs > and podcasts. > Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog > > > --- In [email protected] <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to "rel" > > > > > > I would hope and assume that Andreas would likewise stress the use > of > > media:thumbnail. > > > > Ok, a discussion about mediaRSS came up here months ago and I > chimed in. > > It involved mediaRSS and Drupal. I think it was the thread that > Mike Hudack > > said that we would all be better off if Drupal didnt exist (though > I hear > > there is a blip drupal plugin coming out ;). > > Anyway, Mike Meiser... you had said something to the effect that > mediaRSS > > has failed us (videobloggers). > > I disagreed and simply pointed out that the culture is catching up > with the > > need and usefulness of mediaRSS. > > > > So here we are again talking about different ways to do things > instead of > > using what took months to spec out by an open group initiated by > yahoo > > (andreas included). I understand the angle you are looking at > this... I > > do. > > But I dont want the emphasis to be misplaced entirely away from > furthering > > support of mediaRSS. > > > > Now I wont deny the idea to stick in a rel or class=thumbnail. I > am fine > > with such semantics. But I just want to stress to you that if > anyone is > > going to become a voice, collective or not, to encourage > videobloggers to > > markup their posts in a way that defines a thumbnail.... and you > want to get > > hundreds and thousands of people doing this.... then how can we > not put > > efforts into getting media:thumbnail to be more widely used in > conjunction > > with your proposal? That's all I am suggesting here. A > prioritzation of > > sorts. Just focusing on rel or class markup can even be a step > backward to > > getting mediaRSS more widely used. I'd like to avoid that. > > > > Alright so most people use Wordpress, correct? I typically do not > but since > > it is popular, I am going to reiterate what I mentioned months ago > about how > > to use wordpress custom fields to output mediaRSS... no plugin > needed. But > > I will also search for nicer plugins instead of modifying the WP > code. > > > > Drafting this... be right back ;) > > > > Back. > > > > http://www.vastmachine.com/blog/?p=4 > > > > Alright, i spent 10 minutes. one-click install of wordpress from > dreamhost. > > added a custom field during my first post called 'thumbnail' and > added a url > > to image. > > edited wp-rss2.php with a few new lines of code. > > > > http://www.vastmachine.com/blog/?feed=rss2 > > > > view source. media:thumbnail is in there. > > > > validates: > > < > > http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%<http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%25> > 2Fwww.vastmachine.com%2Fblog%2F%3Ffeed%3Drss2 > > > > > > > Not so hard. I attached the wp-rss2.php to that post. Id rather > tell > > wordpress vloggers to try this before telling them to markup their > posts > > with thumbnail semantics. but both are good to do. thumbs are > important. > > no doubt. > > > > sull > > > > On 2/9/07, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On 2/9/07, billshackelford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<bshackelford% > 40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > sull <sulleleven@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > nah. > > > > > encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. > > > > > > > > > > and consider using blip feeds (blip users). > > > > > > > > > > sull > > > > > > > > > > > You're both COMPLETELY missing the point. > > > > > > This is NOT an alternative to mediaRSS. It's not an either or > thing. > > > When you're composing a blog post you can't very well mark > something > > > up in mediaRSS because you can only markup mediaRSS if you're > actually > > > coding your own RSS feeds. You need a way to be able to TELL > > > wordpress... or feedburner or whatever is creating your RSS > feed... > > > heh this image, it is the thumbnail, please put it in the > thumbnail > > > field of the RSS feed. > > > > > > Secondly... Sull, people cannot just go and use their blip feeds > > > instead of their feedburner feeds. Because their blogs are far > more > > > than just videos from blip... their blogs contain text posts, and > > > blogged posts from flickr, and posts that are reblogged from > others. > > > That makes about as much sense as telling them just to use their > > > delicious feed, or flickr feed instead of their blog. > > > > > > Maybe my post was to long or something, but I'm sort of > disapointed in > > > the responses. > > > > > > Other than the fact that there is no "rel" atribute to <img> > there's > > > no reason not to do this. > > > > > > Perhaps andreas could suggest and alternative to "rel", or > perhaps I'd > > > like to suggest playing the devils advocate, does it really > matter if > > > there's no rel attribute to <img src>? What's wrong with > extending > > > it? It guarantees there will be no conflicts, and it's in keeping > > > with other standards like relTag, relNoFollow, relEnclosure and > many > > > others. > > > > > > Again just to play devils advocate... but what's wrong with > extending > > > HTML with a rel standard? > > > > > > If that is evil incarnate what other choices do we have? > > > > > > class="media-thumbnail" ? > > > > > > I think this is already getting to convoluted... we need > something the > > > everyday people can understand... getting people to make the > jump from > > > rel= to class= is a big step to ask thousands of people to > remember... > > > these are not coders they're bloggers. > > > > > > -Mike > > > mefeedia.com > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <groups-yahoo-com@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media > microfotmat > > > > > > thing... > > > > > > and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most > necissary > > > > > > problem > > > > > > first. > > > > > > > > > > > > I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> > > > > > > > > > > > > It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't > actually using > > > this > > > > > > somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, > > > rel=enclosure, > > > > > > rel=payment and a host of others. > > > > > > > > > > > > It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media > feeds > > > like > > > > > > audio, > > > > > > and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any objections to this? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <duthied@ <duthied%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and > have > > > tried to > > > > > > > catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been > said/asked > > > > before.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the > thumbnails for > > > their > > > > > > > entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only > in the > > > > > > > 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the > item > > > > > > > elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as > many more new > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Devlon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > [email protected]<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > <videoblogging% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The general problem is that while 90% (or some > otherwise very > > > hight > > > > > > > > percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts > they are not > > > > > > > > "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not > specified > > > in > > > > > > > > standard way which can be recognized by aggregators > and search > > > sites > > > > > > > > like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For > example... > > > eclosures > > > > > > > > can be specified in your blog post among other ways by > a > > > microformat > > > > > > > > standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for > huge amounts > > > of > > > > > > > > supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. > there is no > > > > > > > > "rel=thumnail". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify > > > thumbnails > > > > in > > > > > > > > blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media > > > Microformat. > > > > > > > > It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact > for people > > > who > > > > > > > > use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant > and > > > others, > > > > but > > > > > > > > it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you > like when > > > > > > > > you're writing a blog post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media > microformat > > > as > > > > well > > > > > > > > as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a > year, so it > > > may > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any > questions > > > about > > > > > > > that, I'm > > > > > > > > > sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my > fault! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're currently working on this issue and plan to > have a big > > > new > > > > > > > > > > release of the FireAnt website in February. This > new release > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts > if they > > > are > > > > > > > included > > > > > > > > > > in the link to the video enclosure file like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; > rel="enclosure"><img > > > > > > > > > > src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We also have the ability to get thumbnail images > from > > > MeFeedia, > > > > > > > but it > > > > > > > > > > seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for > our new > > > website > > > > > > > > > > update that will address this along with many > other bug > > > fixes > > > > > > > and new > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://FireAnt.tv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, billshackelford > > > > > > > > > <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It > seems they > > > do > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > utilize the Yahoo Media > > > > > > > > > > > RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? > If there > > > is a > > > > > > > legal > > > > > > > > > > reason.. why don't they > > > > > > > > > > > just come up with their own namespace? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe I read something about FireAnt getting > > > thumbnails > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > Mefeedia but my > > > > > > > > > > > thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is something I can do > to have my > > > > > > > thumbnails > > > > > > > > > > show up on FireAnt? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my channel on FireAnt: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > billshackelford.com podcast > > > > > > > > > > > http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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