At early stage of looking at scoop I cant see why it would be much different to learning any other CMS. For my own personal tastes scoop seems slightly long in the tooth and perhaps not kept fresh enough, and not enough add-ons to speed feature development, but I may be missing an active scoop devel community somewhere. Id rather use drupal, but its safe to say there are some people who dont like drupal, and like anything it has its flaws.
Which bits of scoop make you so keen on it? Has it got anything resemblign a forum for discussions, I mosstly see CMS and bloggy stuff? The advantages to creating and maintaining it ourselves are apparent, but there are also some drawbacks. It means that 'we' has to be defined, that someone has to pay a bill and someone has to maintain the server and people have to invest time coding it. Im sure that just enough of this time & passion exists, but will require a lot of actual users to use the stuff in order to be anything approaching 'sustainable'. Right now theres no responsibility on any of us to make sure the server that runs this list stays operational. True we are therefore placing fate of group in yahoo hands, but they also have the resources to cope. Regarding how this community can be useful to to public at large, again Id agree that the yahoo list is not the best way. Sometimes new people have been directed here for help, often theyve been helped quickly, but it can be a bit daunting and the search falility and lack of groupings of posts into different subforums doesnt help. But in tthe past it seems like most people who wanted to help people in this way, with guides and information, set up their own sites to do so. I dont know if a wiki or any other collaborative CMS or forum could deliver the results that freevlog has, for example. Wikis and stuff can do great things, but usually find far less people prepared to contribute to them than are prepared to supply the same information as part of a list or forum conversation. I dunno, as I said Id love to see a change happen and I think there is some merit in bringing lots of different kinds of information and communication systems together into one community site that works on multiple fronts. It certainly would help me to remember the other stuff exists if it were all under one roof. On a semi-related note Id love to see more experimental non-commercial community video sites, trying things out, experiemnting with strange tech, and being genuinely community run & driven. But thats easy to say is another thing I cant explain properly without showing everyone a working example, which wouldnt work without people, oh I dunno, Im making no sense, I'll stew on this one for a while. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know that people have started wikis and other CMS apps, but these > require a bit of knowledge and experience, or people have to learn > something new. > > When I think of the hundreds of conversations that I would like to > recall and/or research, hundreds of valuable threads and ideas, I > have no idea where to begin with these groups. > > The feature set of scoop is what I think we need, and where I think > we should move, especially if we are going have an impact and > transfer this groups values to people. > > I love blip, but I'm just thinking of an independent place for > videobloggers to congregate and share information. Something that we, > not Yahoo, create and maintain. If we want an additional feature we > install it. If we have a problem we resolve it. > > Ron Watson > > On the Web: > http://pawsitivevybe.com > http://k9disc.com > http://k9disc.blip.tv > > > On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Okay - if off Yahoo is what you desire - what are the feat you want? > > > > Ability to email each other on a mailing list? > > Community/moblogging? > > Threaded comments? > > Personal diaries? > > Forums with threads? > > > > What are the features you desire? What is the problem you want to > > solve? > > > > I think of what blip.tv offers and what blubrry.com offers. What do > > you specifically want? > > --- > > Sanford Dickert > > Rawlings Atlantic Inc > > (954) 323 4450 > > > > Sent from my treo 650 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subj: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vlogging about Vlogging - Vlogging > > about Life > > Date: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:03 pm > > Size: 2K > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > What are the Yahoo groups core values and how do we transmit them to > > > > the newbies and other folks stepping up to the camcorder? > > > > While I love this group and find the information to be totally > > priceless, I find this juxtaposition that Steve puts up here to be > > quite interesting. > > > > We're doing all of our serious business at the Wal-Mart of the net, a > > Yahoo Group. > > > > It's pretty ironic, really. > > > > All the reliance that we have on the Open Source Community, all the > > talk of grassroots and content creator control, and here we are > > spending hours and hours on a Yahoo List. > > > > Talk about flushing stuff down the memory hole. > > > > These lists were not meant to be communities. > > > > They are dysfunctional on their face, and are really only suitable > > for announcements and such. > > > > What this Yahoo Group needs is a Scoop site. > > > > This Yahoo group should build the dailyKos of Videoblogging. > > > > That's what we need to do, and that's how we're going to be able to > > compete with all of the MyHeavy's that are going to be coming at us. > > > > We need a megaphone, and all we got here is a mailing list; we can't > > even embed images! > > > > Anyway, I'd be happy to pitch in wholeheartedly, although I don't > > have the DB/MYSQL knowledge to get Scoop configured, I'm sure I could > > help dial her in. > > > > I don't think any of the other CMS setups are as community organized > > as scoop, and don't think they would be as effective as scoop for a > > couple thousand users. > > > > Check out: > > http://boomantribune.com > > http://dailykos.com > > > > If you haven't seen a scoop site. > > > > Anyway, just shooting my mouth off again, but I think the disconnect > > I felt at Steve's quoted comment is something that we must deal with > > if we are to mold any sort of values for newbies and the public in > > general. > > > > I think the way to do that is to get our attention off this list and > > on building something. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ron Watson > > > > On the Web: > > http://pawsitivevybe.com > > http://k9disc.com > > http://k9disc.blip.tv > > > > On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Steve Garfield wrote: > > > > > At the public access station where I taught video blogging for a > > > number of sessions, they've done away with the stand alone video > > > blogging class and now have an 'Adding Multimedia to Your Web Page' > > > class because people want to know how to put pictures, audio and > > > video on the web to share... > > > > > > http://www.cctvcambridge.org/?q=node/94#html > > > > > > On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Gena wrote: > > > > > > > There are other folks "teaching" vlogging such as Videomaker > > > magazine > > > > who calls it "Vodcasting" They started a series of articles, have > > > some > > > > training videos and they are putting they thoughts and > > > interpretations > > > > on how to do it for their readers. Different views, different > > > agendas. > > > > --- message truncated --- > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
