On Jan 31, 2008 4:53 PM, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mmm yes thats the sort of problem that I was gibbering about in post the > other day, if > comments and conversations are fragmented across multiple websites, how to > piece that > all back together again and present it in a sane way.
Consider this emphasis... that is exactly the big issue... not the copyright issues and not the GUI issues for posting the videos. > Youtube has it relatively easy due to their large audience, and being a > walled garden. Proprietary systems always have an initial advantage in this area... but they immediately get entrenched. In actuality while youtube' initial system was a huge leap forward it's now one of the biggest set backs on the site... suffers from a lack of any further innovation. In short youtube's video comments will be usurped widely by innovation in the open space in the next few years. > Meanwhile we see all sorts of innovative ways to do things with video > commenting & > conversations, but these features are often part of yet another new > business/service, that > struggles to attract enough users. Exactly. It's already widely being solved in the plain old blogging space... as always we have only to look to our older wiser brother's lead. > The biggest social & conversational use of video on the net that I have seen > so far, is > people embedding videos that they did not make or publish to the web > themselves, in > their own blogs, forum posts, funwalls on facebook or wherever. Simple, > crude, effective, > limiting in all sorts of ways but easy enough to be done by lots of people. > And another > demonstration that although blogging & RSS feeds & aggregators brought many > people to > the party, the embedded flash video in the browser has been an absolutely > massive part of > the online video boom of recent years. I agree... the widespread talking about videos wether embedded or simply linked to on other blogs, user groups, sites, platforms, etc is one of best forms of discussion... rather than the simple commenting on on the original hosts site. I HEART RECONTEXTUALIZATION. Big time. What's more... it's EXTREMELY simple to track these conversations with a tracker across multiple blogs / vlogs. The information is all in the RSS. It's all floating around out there. It just requires someone to mine it and present it in a great visual and trackable way. There are MANY experiments like megite.com and techmeme. Even mefeedia's channels which are modeled after Planet Planet vlogs... simply binding together activity from multiple RSS feeds into one channel... are a primitive experiment in this. mefeedia's prime failing is it fails to display activity such as comments, revlogging, and permalink references outside of the site itself. To be blunt it's it's own little myopic world. (Again, I'm not longer affiliated with mefeedia.) > Cheers Cheers indeed. > Steve Elbows -Mike of mmeiser.com :) > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Sinton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > I have seen that Blip > > offers comments RSS for each post, but most of the time the > > conversations are happening at the vlogs, which have varying support > > for Comments RSS. It is quite a large engineering effort. > > > > Regards, > > Frank > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jan McLaughlin" > > <jannie.jan@> wrote: > > > > > > Blogger just recently allowed commentors to check a box fo follow > > comments > > > via email. > > > > > > Havent any idea what you guys' are taling about, but... > > > > > > I love it when the coders get all excited. > > > > > > :) > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 7:22 AM, David Meade <meade.dave@> wrote: > > > > > > > It's included in wordpress feeds already. - but I dont think it is > > > > in blogger feeds > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 1:12 AM, Mike Meiser <groups-yahoo-com@> wrote: > > > > > Cool. > > > > > > > > > > Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed: > > > > > http://sull.blip.tv/rss > > > > > > > > > > <item> > > > > > <guid > > isPermaLink="false">9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011</guid> > > > > > <link>http://blip.tv/file/586535</link> > > > > > <title>What is it that's driving this?</title> > > > > > [...] > > > > > <wfw:commentRss> > > > > http://blip.tv/comments/?attached_to=post592232&skin=rss > > > > </wfw:commentRss> > > > > > <comments>http://blip.tv/file/586535</comments> > > > > > </item> > > > > > > > > > > wfw, as in <wfw:comments>, stands for "well formatted web" > > > > > > > > > > spec is as mentioned here: > > > > http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ > > > > > > > > > > <comments> being part of the original RSS 2.0 spec. It appears to be > > > > > the url to the page where you can make a comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So... Basically we have the start of a potential working ecosystem. > > > > > The next question is who else supports this? Wordpress? Blogger? > > > > > Moveable type? Feedburner? > > > > > > > > > > If not already a part of Wordpress could it be implimented with a > > > > > plugin or added to an existing plugin from SIAB or that which david > > > > > meade just created? > > > > > > > > > > Will have to do more research. > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 12:16 AM, Sull <sulleleven@> wrote: > > > > > > and i just checked blip feeds and... good on them ;) > > > > > > it's in there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 12:10 AM, Sull <sulleleven@> wrote: > > > > > > > For starters, their should be wide adoption of WFW - > > Well-Formed Web > > > > > > > wfw:commentRss namespace element. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sellsbrothers.com/spout/default.aspx? > content=archive.htm#exposingRssComments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2008 10:56 PM, Mike Meiser <groups-yahoo-com@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not that complex though to track comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You follow the permalink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You parse the page one time... you look for the comment > > RSS most > > > > > > > > platforms have them now. You display all or part of the > > comments > > > > in > > > > > > > > the aggregator... maybe as trackbacks, you just take them > > into > > > > > > > > account in the aggregator as ranking info, display them > > with the > > > > other > > > > > > > > comments and on site activity... maybe you simply say "8 more > > > > comments > > > > > > > > at joevlog.com". This last idea in particular is a personal > > > > favorite > > > > > > > > of mine because it simultaneously drives traffic back to > > the vlog > > > > > > > > while adding value to the aggregator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There in fact may be packages / API's out by now on for > > tracking > > > > blog > > > > > > > > comments... there are certainly meta standards, at least one > > > > > > > > documented micoformat for comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are of course potential partners. I've chatted with the > > > > guys at > > > > > > > > co.mments.com. They're huge potential for them to > > licensce their > > > > > > > > technology. It actually makes much more sense then running a > > > > single > > > > > > > > webservice for them... because obviously mefeedia and other > > > > > > > > specialized aggregatory communities don't compete directly or > > > > even > > > > > > > > indirectly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But... partnership is probably not necessary... because > > like i > > > > said... > > > > > > > > comments are very widely standardized around blogging > > packages > > > > these > > > > > > > > days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course.... there's still cooler things... there's > > tracking... > > > > > > > > which posts/ blogs are linking in the content to which posts. > > > > It's > > > > > > > > meme tracking... like techmeme.com and megit.com. > > Tracking the > > > > > > > > conversations in the vlogosphere. All that data is already in > > > > > > > > mefeedia's DB... all that need be done is to process it. The > > > > > > > > combination of these two types of tracking could light a fire > > > > under > > > > > > > > the vlogosphere.... and of course it's implied that it'd > > light a > > > > fire > > > > > > > > under the webservice that did such a thing just like it's > > done > > > > for > > > > > > > > companies like techmeme and dozens of others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's more... it's organic unlike digg... and embraces > > an open > > > > > > > > ecosystem unlike youtube. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2008 9:44 PM, Frank Sinton <frank@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > We're working on putting technology in place - a new Video > > > > Search > > > > > > > > > Engine - that will hopefully enable the tracking of video > > > > responses > > > > > > > > > across vlogs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is extremely complex as there are many > > variations > > > > on > > > > > > > > > formatting, blog post URLs, embedding, etc. It will be > > > > interesting to > > > > > > > > > do some small experiments such as apply the technology to a > > > > "hot" > > > > > > > > > conversation that becomes threaded / moves in many > > different > > > > directions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser" > > > > > > > > > <groups-yahoo-com@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sweet work David, Jay and everyone who worked on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now all we need is 3rd party services, i.e. > > aggregators and > > > > meme > > > > > > > > > > trackers to start tracking video comments as well as > > simply > > > > RSS feeds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has long been one of the biggest failings of > > > > aggregators. it' > > > > > > > > > > not just about the RSS... it's about the > > conversations at the > > > > end of > > > > > > > > > > the permalinks... AND it's about other bloggers and their > > > > blog posts > > > > > > > > > > referencing each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As people such as David, Jay and the Show in the box team > > > > build more > > > > > > > > > > value into the comments hopefully others will stand > > up and > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > notice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conversation tracking, meme tracking, or social > > aggregation. > > > > There are > > > > > > > > > > many names and many approaches to exploring what is I > > > > personally think > > > > > > > > > > is a whole new frontier beyond the diggs, facebooks, > > twitters > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > myspaces into a much more organic and natural social > > space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These aggregators will make 1.0 versions of > > aggregators look > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > dimensional. And they are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examples of 1.0 aggregators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - bloglines > > > > > > > > > > - google newsreader > > > > > > > > > > - various software aggregators: itunes, fireant, miro, > > > > newsgator, > > > > > > > > > > netnewswire, vienna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examples of experiments in conversation tracking are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - co.comments.com > > > > > > > > > > - cocomment.com > > > > > > > > > > - Megatite > > > > > > > > > > - Commentful, commentful.blogflux.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And a couple of Meme trackers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - megite.com > > > > > > > > > > - techmeme.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There' probably a bunch I don't know about or am > > forgetting > > > > about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have yet to see a RSS / blog aggregator that also > > tracks > > > > users > > > > > > > > > > comments well. But there are a few out there who's > > names I > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > > remember yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the one web-service in this space that is best > > > > positioned to > > > > > > > > > > start tracking video comments and memes across the > > > > vlogosphere is > > > > > > > > > > mefeedia, but sadly though i've pushed and pushed it > > hasn't > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > yet. Consider this another suggestion. (Disclaimer: > > I'm not > > > > longer a > > > > > > > > > > part of mefeedia.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2008 1:46 PM, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > for those of you using Wordpress, Davod Meade craeted a > > > > whole new > > > > > > > > > > > plugin for video comments: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.davidmeade.com/wordpress-plugins#videoComments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems works much better than what we were using > > Semanal: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://semanal.org/2008/01/27/week-5-2008-video-commenting-is-live/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The plugin adds some extra fields to the comment area. > > > > > > > > > > > The video comment then shows up as a clickable > > thumbnail > > > > and lays > > > > > > > > > > > inline if you also have vPIP installed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good example of old fashioned team work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > http://jaydedman.com > > > > > > > > > > > 917 371 6790 > > > > > > > > > > > Professional: http://ryanishungry.com > > > > > > > > > > > Personal: http://momentshowing.net > > > > > > > > > > > Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ > > > > > > > > > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman > > > > > > > > > > > RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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