Hi all I was actually gonna avoiding weighing in on this topic, but what the hell...
The issue of indie doc vs home video pricing is a vexing one indeed. That issue, along with "tiered pricing", have been in the background as long as I've been in the vid librarian biz (which is longer than I care to remember). Over the years, I've had myriad discussions with my distributor pals about the conundrum in which lower prices would seemingly sell more units to more institutions. The general consensus on the seller side seems to have consistently been "not so": there's apparently a law of limited possibilities as far as institutional sales, no matter how low the price (or so I've been told). So, high prices to keep the ship afloat (or at least to compensate for the constricted market). In the past, most of us with mid-size to large collections have simply sucked it up and paid--we've been willing to pay up because either a) there have been strong, articulated demands for and use of particular indie-doc titles or b) we've assessed these materials to have critical importance and long-term use in teaching and research (intensive or not). Time, as we all know, have changed... For one thing, the fiscal apocalypse is upon us...I won't elaborate except to say 25% to 50% budget reductions aren't uncommon in the post-meltdown era. These circumstances have forced many (if not most) of us to reassess the short and long-term value and use of materials we acquire. Where once I could buy vigorously, "just in case" titles might be of academic interest, that's rapidly becoming a luxury I cannot justify. I recently did something that's sort of unusual for me: I actually started looking at statistical use data for the UCB holding of several well-known and well-respected indie distributors. (My pre-meltdown assessment of use has been much more intuitive and anecdotal...again, the stakes weren't as high for acquisition missteps as they are now). The results of my highly unsystematic poking about were pretty shocking: the average circulation of these $250 to $500 titles was somewhere around 10 uses over the life of the title). Sure, some of these were more in the 30-50 circulation range, but not many. The argument that even the majority of titles in a library's video collection circulate hundreds of times over the life of the piece is simply not realistic in most instances (at least not in the particular academic library in which I work). Now it's true that a single title can be shown repeatedly to classes of several hundred students... In my book that has little if anything to do with market value of the film to the institution. (I've gone off in the past on my opposition to using Carnegie and other demographic/user statistics. If these stats or the fact that showing a video to large classes had anything whatsoever to do with encouraging or discouraging additional sales of a particular video, I could buy into these notions. As it stands, they don't, and I can't). BTW: these arguments are the same ones I've been making for more realistic models for licensing streaming video. Simply because a title becomes available online does not change economic valences or markets. As for home video vs exclusively distributed video... In the past, the boundaries between indie produced/distributed titles and home video titles was fairly cut and dried. Increasingly, the walls seem to be tumblin' down. Indie folk are, understandably, trying to market their A-titles as widely as possible, and this means home video. It also means that (as I've said ad nauseum on this list in the past), because performance rights are not an issue for us, if I can score a title for 25 bucks instead of 250, I will. Particularly in these hard times, distributors simply can't have it both ways: protecting institutional sales while marketing to the masses. I don't have answers for any of the problems sellers and buyers have in common. The issues we're all facing are depressing and confusing, to say the least. Those of us on the institutional side (at least video librarians) are not being adversarial; we're simply trying to stay above water and serve our clients the best we can. Those heroics underscore the need to carefully assess the real value of the materials we're buying to the academic mission of our institutions and short and long-term academic needs. I'm greatly worried about the viability of the independent video marketplace. I don't want to, as Tom Ipri has suggested, sacrifice buying indie media in favor of cheap, low-hanging home video fruit. Given current economic realities and rapidly changing technology, it's my strong opinion that past economic models are simply not sustainable, and that future models for delivery and pricing need to adjust to a media marketplace that bears little relation to those in place over the past four or five decades. OK, now back to work. gary > In reference to you question about how often a typical DVD is used, I have > crunched the numbers based on our institution. > > We have 4 fully functioning campuses and are the 3rd largest (based on > student population) University in British Columbia, Canada. > We are Subject to Canadian Copyright Laws, therefore we must acquire PPR > (Public Performance Rights) for each and every program we use in a > classroom setting. (IE. Educational Pricing.) > > Typically a DVD is used 1-2 semesters a year, by 1-2 instructors a > semester for Educational Instruction. > It may also be referenced by 1-4 students from those classes. > > Lower Side - (1 x 1) + (1 x 1) 1 = 2 uses a year Total > Yearly Average Use = 20 Times > Higher Side - (2 x 2) + (2 x 2)4 = 18 uses a year Total > Yearly Average Use = 20 Times > > Throw in Academic Research use/presentations is on average 2-6 times a > year. > > Lower Side - Total Yearly Average Use = 2 + 2 = 4 Times a YEAR > Higher Side - Total Yearly Average Use = 20 + 6 = 26 Times a YEAR > > Thanks, > John Potter-Smith > Library - Audiovisual Technician > Kwantlen Polytechnic University > Coast Capital Savings Library > Phone: 604-599-2405 > Fax: 604-599-2106 > > [cid:[email protected]]The Library ... Your Information > Destination > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Curtis Chin > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Videolib] Pricing of DVD's > > I want as many people to see my film as possible, and if I could afford > it, I really would give it away. (For me, its really about keeping the > memory of a murdered person, Vincent Chin, alive.) But I just can't afford > do that financially. > > I guess it boils down to finding a price that both the buyer and the > seller feels is fair. For us, we charge $245, but that includes all taxes, > shipping/handling, etc. It also includes a research guide that does not > come with the home version. With our film, even if we sold 500 copies > (which would be a dream), we would not even recoup the cost of production, > let alone marketing. (With docs there is no box office sales to speak of) > > Now in terms of a DVD lasting more than a year, just out of curiosity, how > often is the typical DVD being "rented" or used by the school? It should > last several hundred views. And if it is being used that much, isn't that > a testament to the value of the film as an educational tool? And doesn't > that support the notion that the schools should pay a fair market value > for it? > > Curtis > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:10 AM, > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/[email protected] > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Filmmakers are not your enemies (Curtis Chin) > 2. Re: Filmmakers are not your enemies (John Potter-Smith) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:38:08 -0700 > From: Curtis Chin > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [Videolib] Filmmakers are not your enemies > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I know I am a newbie here and at the risk of alienating folks, I need to > speak up for the filmmakers perspective. > > Trust me when I say, we filmmakers are not trying to get rich off our > projects. We just want to make a living and to be fairly compensated for > our > work. Often times, we embark on our films because they are subjects that > personally matter to us, in my case, it was a family friend who had been > murdered, and we devote years to it without getting any monetary > compensation. We are just trying to recoup our costs. > > Now, why the price difference? It's because you will be showing these > films > as often as you like (for years) and you will be making money off our work > through tuition and other fees. If you amortize it, it's still a pretty > good > deal for your institutions. Would you prefer if we didn't offer the home > version and just had the one institutional price? > > And to show a "home" version when it is specifically stated that is not > the > intended purpose, I think is morally wrong, just like downloading > copyrighted video or music off the internet. But then, again, some people > have no problem doing that either. So I suspect that I lot of people will > be > doing that. The loser in that is the artist. Sigh. > > In the end, we are all trying to help educate the population. We share a > common goal and it's wrong to think we are your adversaries. > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:47 AM, > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>wrote: > >> Send videolib mailing list submissions to >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/[email protected] >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. When the Levees Broke: PPR (Blaine Waterman) >> 2. Re: Old topic, new rant... (CROWLEY, CHRISTINE) >> 3. ALA vs SilverDocs in DC (Carleton Jackson) >> 4. FW: video dominoes (Hutchison, Jane) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:04:19 -0700 >> From: Blaine Waterman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: [Videolib] When the Levees Broke: PPR >> To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Message-ID: >> < >> 79b252d4661f4642b4be6d6eef6eddd8cd21760...@exchangembx.sf-library.org<mailto:79b252d4661f4642b4be6d6eef6eddd8cd21760...@exchangembx.sf-library.org>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Has anyone on the list screened Spike Lee's Katrina documentary? >> If so, how/who/how much?? :) >> >> TIA, >> >> Blaine Waterman >> Film and Television Specialist >> San Francisco Public Library >> 415.557.4461 >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> >> Official SFPL use only >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. >> HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:54:26 -0500 >> From: "CROWLEY, CHRISTINE" >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Old topic, new rant... >> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I see no reason that the home video cannot be purchased for that use, >> unless for reason the "seminar" is outside the realm of a classroom >> situation....and the university is clearly not a for-profit institution. >> >> Christine Crowley >> Dean of Learning Resources >> Northwest Vista College >> 3535 N. Ellison Dr. >> San Antonio, TX 78251 >> 210.486.4572 office >> 210.486.4504 fax >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Northwest Vista College is one of the Alamo Colleges >> www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc<http://www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> on behalf of John Potter-Smith >> Sent: Wed 5/12/2010 5:30 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Old topic, new rant... >> >> >> >> Welcome to Canada !! >> >> >> >> This is what we face every day, we have no choice of not purchasing >> University copies with PPR (Public Performance Rights) like you lucky >> folks >> do in the US. >> >> >> >> John Potter-Smith >> >> Library - Audiovisual Technician >> >> Kwantlen Polytechnic University >> >> Coast Capital Savings Library >> >> Phone: 604-599-2405 >> >> Fax: 604-599-2106 >> >> >> >> ED00172_< >> https://mail.alamo.edu/exchange/ccrowley5/Drafts/RE:%20[Videolib]%20Old%20topic,%20new%20rant....EML/1_multipart/image001.png<https://mail.alamo.edu/exchange/ccrowley5/Drafts/RE:%20%5bVideolib%5d%20Old%20topic,%20new%20rant....EML/1_multipart/image001.png><https://mail.alamo.edu/exchange/ccrowley5/Drafts/RE:%20%5BVideolib%5D%20Old%20topic,%20new%20rant....EML/1_multipart/image001.png>> >> The Library ... Your Information Destination >> >> >> >> From: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Merle J. Slyhoff >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:31 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [Videolib] Old topic, new rant... >> >> >> >> $300.00 for a video for universities and colleges vs $25.00 for a video >> for >> home use and one faculty member wants to view it to maybe show to a >> seminar >> of 15 students... and I have to say no because I can't fit it into the >> budget at $300.00. No one will ever convince me that this cost >> differential >> is justifiable when it's being used in the classroom for 15 students. >> >> >> >> OK, said it, no need to reply because I know what you'll all say. J >> >> >> >> Merle >> >> ******************************************************************* >> >> Merle J. Slyhoff V: 215-898-9013 >> >> Collection Development & F: 215-898-6619 >> >> Resource Sharing Librarian E: >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> Biddle Law Library >> >> University of Pennsylvania >> >> 3460 Chestnut Street >> >> Philadelphia, PA 19104-3406 >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed and removed. >> Name: not available >> Type: application/ms-tnef >> Size: 9447 bytes >> Desc: not available >> Non-text attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:55:12 -0400 >> From: Carleton Jackson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: [Videolib] ALA vs SilverDocs in DC >> To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed >> >> >> Greetings VRT-ers: >> >> Well, not really a "VS" but a concurrence. >> >> Just wanted to let you folks know who are trying to do both at DC that >> the SilverDocs schedule is slowly being revealed. Each year there is a >> theme that precedes and follows the Guggenheim honoree. We can finally >> tell you that this years honoree is Frederick Wiseman. He and his films >> will be present at both the Festival and Conference. Those of you who >> are trying out the educator pass for Friday or are around Saturday night >> may have access to an event or two with him. I'm trying to see if one or >> a combination of vouchers can get you into the big Guggenheim event too. >> Stay tuned... >> >> >> http://silverdocs.com/news-links/2010/05/06/frederick-wiseman-named-guggenheim-honoree/ >> >> Also: if some of you were thinking of the educator pass, but couldn't >> decide or were sold out, there are a few back, however at $150 price >> now. Still, if you missed out on an ALA preconference but still have at >> least Friday free, its well worth it, and cheaper then most >> preconferences. >> >> >> https://secure2.convio.net/afi/site/Ecommerce/1989794434?VIEW_PRODUCT=true&product_id=1481&store_id=1301 >> >> As usual, any questions feel free to contact me directly. And it is >> possible to be two places at the same time. >> >> Carleton >> >> >> -- >> Carleton L. Jackson >> Librarian, Nonprint Media Services Library >> University of Maryland Libraries >> 0300 R. Lee Hornbake Library >> College Park, Maryland 20742-7011 >> 301-405-9226 voice / 301-314-9419 fax >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:43:35 -0400 >> From: "Hutchison, Jane" >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: [Videolib] FW: video dominoes >> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Message-ID: >> < >> 4d509e6f1d635043bc720a5b2a4eae6507dd5...@callisto.unv.campus.wpunj.edu<mailto:4d509e6f1d635043bc720a5b2a4eae6507dd5...@callisto.unv.campus.wpunj.edu>> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Many of you have brought up the fact that your video collections were >> going. >> >> >> >> I thought you'd get a kick out of this. >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Qup0kA6kw >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jane B. Hutchison >> >> Associate Director >> President >> >> Instruction & Research Technology CCUMC: >> Leadership in Media & Academic Technology >> >> William Paterson University >> http://www.ccumc.org >> >> Wayne, NJ 07470 >> >> 973-720-2980 (work) >> >> 973-418-7727 (cell) >> >> 973-720-2585 (facs) >> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. >> HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> End of videolib Digest, Vol 30, Issue 23 >> **************************************** >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:09:44 -0700 > From: John Potter-Smith > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Filmmakers are not your enemies > To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have no problem paying a reasonable price for a program. > > Since in your eye, we have the item for use for years and years, then you > need to sell it on a media that lasts years and years. > > Since DVD's rarely survive a year of academic/student use, it sure would > be nice if Filmmakers/Vendors provided (free or for shipping costs) > replacement copies for damaged media formats. > > Thanks, > > John Potter-Smith > Library - Audiovisual Technician > Kwantlen Polytechnic University > Coast Capital Savings Library > Phone: 604-599-2405 > Fax: 604-599-2106 > > [cid:[email protected]]The Library ... Your Information > Destination > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Curtis Chin > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:38 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [Videolib] Filmmakers are not your enemies > > I know I am a newbie here and at the risk of alienating folks, I need to > speak up for the filmmakers perspective. > > Trust me when I say, we filmmakers are not trying to get rich off our > projects. We just want to make a living and to be fairly compensated for > our work. Often times, we embark on our films because they are subjects > that personally matter to us, in my case, it was a family friend who had > been murdered, and we devote years to it without getting any monetary > compensation. We are just trying to recoup our costs. > > Now, why the price difference? It's because you will be showing these > films as often as you like (for years) and you will be making money off > our work through tuition and other fees. If you amortize it, it's still a > pretty good deal for your institutions. Would you prefer if we didn't > offer the home version and just had the one institutional price? > > And to show a "home" version when it is specifically stated that is not > the intended purpose, I think is morally wrong, just like downloading > copyrighted video or music off the internet. But then, again, some people > have no problem doing that either. So I suspect that I lot of people will > be doing that. The loser in that is the artist. Sigh. > In the end, we are all trying to help educate the population. We share a > common goal and it's wrong to think we are your adversaries. > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:47 AM, > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/[email protected] > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. When the Levees Broke: PPR (Blaine Waterman) > 2. Re: Old topic, new rant... (CROWLEY, CHRISTINE) > 3. ALA vs SilverDocs in DC (Carleton Jackson) > 4. FW: video dominoes (Hutchison, Jane) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:04:19 -0700 > From: Blaine Waterman > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Subject: [Videolib] When the Levees Broke: PPR > To: > "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Message-ID: > > <79b252d4661f4642b4be6d6eef6eddd8cd21760...@exchangembx.sf-library.org<mailto:79b252d4661f4642b4be6d6eef6eddd8cd21760...@exchangembx.sf-library.org><mailto:79b252d4661f4642b4be6d6eef6eddd8cd21760...@exchangembx.sf-library.org<mailto:79b252d4661f4642b4be6d6eef6eddd8cd21760...@exchangembx.sf-library.org>>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Has anyone on the list screened Spike Lee's Katrina documentary? > If so, how/who/how much?? :) > > TIA, > > Blaine Waterman > Film and Television Specialist > San Francisco Public Library > 415.557.4461 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > Official SFPL use only > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:54:26 -0500 > From: "CROWLEY, CHRISTINE" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Old topic, new rant... > To: > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I see no reason that the home video cannot be purchased for that use, > unless for reason the "seminar" is outside the realm of a classroom > situation....and the university is clearly not a for-profit institution. > > Christine Crowley > Dean of Learning Resources > Northwest Vista College > 3535 N. Ellison Dr. > San Antonio, TX 78251 > 210.486.4572 office > 210.486.4504 fax > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Northwest Vista College is one of the Alamo Colleges > www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc<http://www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc><http://www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc> > > > ________________________________ > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > on behalf of John Potter-Smith > Sent: Wed 5/12/2010 5:30 PM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Old topic, new rant... > > > > Welcome to Canada !! > > > > This is what we face every day, we have no choice of not purchasing > University copies with PPR (Public Performance Rights) like you lucky > folks do in the US. > > > > John Potter-Smith > > Library - Audiovisual Technician > > Kwantlen Polytechnic University > > Coast Capital Savings Library > > Phone: 604-599-2405 > > Fax: 604-599-2106 > > > > > ED00172_<https://mail.alamo.edu/exchange/ccrowley5/Drafts/RE:%20[Videolib]%20Old%20topic,%20new%20rant....EML/1_multipart/image001.png<https://mail.alamo.edu/exchange/ccrowley5/Drafts/RE:%20%5bVideolib%5d%20Old%20topic,%20new%20rant....EML/1_multipart/image001.png><https://mail.alamo.edu/exchange/ccrowley5/Drafts/RE:%20%5BVideolib%5D%20Old%20topic,%20new%20rant....EML/1_multipart/image001.png>> > The Library ... Your Information Destination > > > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] > On Behalf Of Merle J. Slyhoff > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:31 PM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [Videolib] Old topic, new rant... > > > > $300.00 for a video for universities and colleges vs $25.00 for a video > for home use and one faculty member wants to view it to maybe show to a > seminar of 15 students... and I have to say no because I can't fit it into > the budget at $300.00. No one will ever convince me that this cost > differential is justifiable when it's being used in the classroom for 15 > students. > > > > OK, said it, no need to reply because I know what you'll all say. J > > > > Merle > > ******************************************************************* > > Merle J. Slyhoff V: 215-898-9013 > > Collection Development & F: 215-898-6619 > > Resource Sharing Librarian E: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > Biddle Law Library > > University of Pennsylvania > > 3460 Chestnut Street > > Philadelphia, PA 19104-3406 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed and removed. > Name: not available > Type: application/ms-tnef > Size: 9447 bytes > Desc: not available > Non-text attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:55:12 -0400 > From: Carleton Jackson > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Subject: [Videolib] ALA vs SilverDocs in DC > To: > "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>, > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed > > > Greetings VRT-ers: > > Well, not really a "VS" but a concurrence. > > Just wanted to let you folks know who are trying to do both at DC that > the SilverDocs schedule is slowly being revealed. Each year there is a > theme that precedes and follows the Guggenheim honoree. We can finally > tell you that this years honoree is Frederick Wiseman. He and his films > will be present at both the Festival and Conference. Those of you who > are trying out the educator pass for Friday or are around Saturday night > may have access to an event or two with him. I'm trying to see if one or > a combination of vouchers can get you into the big Guggenheim event too. > Stay tuned... > > http://silverdocs.com/news-links/2010/05/06/frederick-wiseman-named-guggenheim-honoree/ > > Also: if some of you were thinking of the educator pass, but couldn't > decide or were sold out, there are a few back, however at $150 price > now. Still, if you missed out on an ALA preconference but still have at > least Friday free, its well worth it, and cheaper then most > preconferences. > > https://secure2.convio.net/afi/site/Ecommerce/1989794434?VIEW_PRODUCT=true&product_id=1481&store_id=1301 > > As usual, any questions feel free to contact me directly. And it is > possible to be two places at the same time. > > Carleton > > > -- > Carleton L. Jackson > Librarian, Nonprint Media Services Library > University of Maryland Libraries > 0300 R. Lee Hornbake Library > College Park, Maryland 20742-7011 > 301-405-9226 voice / 301-314-9419 fax > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:43:35 -0400 > From: "Hutchison, Jane" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Subject: [Videolib] FW: video dominoes > To: > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Message-ID: > > <4d509e6f1d635043bc720a5b2a4eae6507dd5...@callisto.unv.campus.wpunj.edu<mailto:4d509e6f1d635043bc720a5b2a4eae6507dd5...@callisto.unv.campus.wpunj.edu><mailto:4d509e6f1d635043bc720a5b2a4eae6507dd5...@callisto.unv.campus.wpunj.edu<mailto:4d509e6f1d635043bc720a5b2a4eae6507dd5...@callisto.unv.campus.wpunj.edu>>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Many of you have brought up the fact that your video collections were > going. > > > > I thought you'd get a kick out of this. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Qup0kA6kw > > > > > > > > Jane B. Hutchison > > Associate Director > President > > Instruction & Research Technology CCUMC: > Leadership in Media & Academic Technology > > William Paterson University > http://www.ccumc.org > > Wayne, NJ 07470 > > 973-720-2980 (work) > > 973-418-7727 (cell) > > 973-720-2585 (facs) > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > End of videolib Digest, Vol 30, Issue 23 > **************************************** > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed and removed. > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 968 bytes > Desc: image001.png > Non-text attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > End of videolib Digest, Vol 30, Issue 25 > **************************************** > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 [email protected] http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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