Again I think it is more than a stretch to claim showing a film/program to what can be a large number of people is "personal" use or that students are "invitees" but like I said someone might bring this up to the speakers at NMM
Jessica On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Andrew Horbal <ahor...@umd.edu> wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I think this might bring us back to 110(1)! If it's not clear whether a > classroom screening is "personal" or "public," perhaps it could be either > depending on the circumstances? I strongly suspect that your professor who > invites the entire campus to a screening isn't complying with the > requirement in 110(1) that the screening must be "in the course of > face-to-face teaching activities," which would mean that even if this > license is written vaguely enough that such activity is allowable under the > terms of the contract, it would still constitute a copyright violation. > > In summary: as numerous people have pointed out, if you sign a contract, > you must comply with the terms of that contract. In this case, the question > is whether or not the license we've been discussing excludes a behavior > (screening the film to a class) that otherwise would be allowed under > 110(1). There's enough ambiguity here that I personally would feel > comfortable concluding that it doesn't. You have concluded otherwise, which > is fine: I don't see any reason why we can't agree to disagree! > > License writers take heed: perhaps you should consider wording more exact > than "personal uses only" when telling people what they are and are not > permitted to do! > > Andy > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Bob Norris <b...@filmideas.com> wrote: > >> Andy, >> I agree the location does not matter. It could be in a classroom, office >> or a box with green eggs and ham. To me the issue is personal vs. public. >> Giving my age away, way back when it was simple. The personal or consumer >> home video license was for viewing in your dwelling by yourself and your >> invitees. That is the only place you could technically play back video. Now >> you can watch video anywhere so the personal use description has to be >> expanded to say for example an airport lounge. But that doesn't mean >> everyone in the lounge can watch it, only those personal to you. >> >> Clearly a personal rights license intends to restrict usage as you say. >> But the simple act of limiting usage does not make it personal. With your >> logic a professor could invite the whole campus to view a program. The >> general public would be excluded. But how is that personal? I believe Swank >> lawyers would come knocking if you tried that with their movies. You still >> have to look at the nature of the viewers and I maintain students are not >> personal as noted before. >> >> Regards, >> Bob >> >> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:56 AM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: >> >> >> >> *From: *Andrew Horbal <ahor...@umd.edu> >> *Date: *October 17, 2016 8:56:33 AM CDT >> *To: *email@example.com >> *Subject: **Re: [Videolib] Amazon Prime* >> *Reply-To: *firstname.lastname@example.org >> >> >> I think it's relevant that the license states that it's okay to screen >> the film in a location such as a "hotel room, dorm room, office, or >> airport waiting lounge" provided that the screening "is limited to a >> private viewing for you and your invitees" (note that the license says >> "invitees," not "friends'). It seems probable to me that the intent is >> simply to restrict the number of people who are able to see the film to the >> licensee and people chosen to see it by the licensee (as opposed to the >> general "public"), and that if this condition is met, the location of the >> screening isn't important. >> >> I don't think there's any question that according to this license, the >> professor could invite a group of students to their office to watch the >> film. Continuing along this path, I submit the following: >> >> 1. There's no functional difference between the professor inviting the >> students to their office to watch the film and inviting them to their >> regular classroom, provided only the invited students are able to see the >> film (i.e. the door is closed, and people who aren't in the class aren't >> admitted). >> 2. There's no logical reason why the screening described in (1) couldn't >> take place during the class's regularly-schedule meeting time. >> 3. Assuming the screenings described above in (1) and (2) are allowable, >> it would be silly to require the professor to jump through the hoop of >> actually issuing "invitations" to their students, provided, again, that >> just the students in the class are able to see the film. >> >> In all of these cases, the same number of people see the film is >> identical. This is why it seems to me that a classroom screening is more >> similar to a "private viewing for you and your invitees" than a "public >> presentation." >> >> Andy >> >> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Bob Norris <b...@filmideas.com> wrote: >> >>> Well, using the I'm not a lawyer just thinking logically approach, a >>> professor and the students seems more similar to a public performance than >>> a private viewing. Profs may have an affinity for their students but the >>> students are not the prof's friends. It is rare that a prof would invite >>> students into their home or hotel room, hopefully. However, when you have a >>> public performance it is often people with something in common that have an >>> affinity for one another but are not friends. It is not "Personal," which >>> is the only right Amazon is granting. >>> >>> My 2 cents, >>> Bob >>> >>> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> > > > -- > Andrew Horbal > > Head of Learning Commons > > 1101 McKeldin Library > > 7649 Library Ln. > > University of Maryland > > College Park, MD 20742 > > (301) 405-9227 > > ahor...@umd.edu > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > >
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