It is known as Codice Saldivar no. 2. It is late 17th century Spanish for
4-course cittern with mostly renaissance tuning. It belongs to the Saldivar
family in Mexico. As far as I know it is not available on-line. Andrew
Hartig did have some of it on his web-page but this doesn't seem to be
active at present. I have a copy of it if you want to know more about it.
Monica
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From: "George" <georgefos...@att.net>
To: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: "WALSH STUART" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>; "Vihuelalist"
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Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Cifras Selectas online
I may have missed it in the beginnings of this thread, but I do not see any
reference to what the source of this cittern tablature is. Is it available
for review, online or otherwise?
On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:24 AM, "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Many thanks.
This is the old 'Italian' tuning of the Renaissance cittern. So maybe
this cittern tab is a lot older than Santiago's (as you suggest). This
cittern version of the tune seems much more primitive. And Santiago's B
section is 16 bars.
I think it may be older than generally supposed. It is very crudely
copied. But I believe some of the repertoire is later than early 17th
century.
Re-entrant tuning on plectrum citterns always strike me as odd - though
there's no doubt about it. Why would you want to set a melody line
which jumps between first and fourth courses? It's not campanella, and
it's just plain awkward with a plectrum.
In my experience it isn't awkward at all. I borrowed the Lute
Society's cittern and played through all the pieces - which mostly
consist of a sequence of strummed chords and a single melodic
line which splits the melody between the 4th course and the 1st and
2nd. With a plectrum this works perfectly - it is the same as
altenating thumb and fingers. It seemed entirely logical to me. And
when you strum the chords it doesn't matter that the lowest course
isn't the 4th.
As I understand the renaissance cittern has only 4-courses because the
wire strings are all the same length. They pass over a bridge to the
nut. Because of its limited compass having a re-entrant tuning is an
advantage.
If you have more low bass strings you need to have the bridge set at an
angle so that these are longer than the treble ones.
Monica
On 25 June 2012 20:40, Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Monica
What is this cittern music? So it's Spansih cittern music from the
early 18th century?
Yes - or possibly early 17th century. It is not dated.
Do you know anything about the kind of cttern intended by the music?
It has four courses and is triple stung throughout =.
Bordones[3],
Requintas [3 with single Bordon in middle],
Segundas[3],
Primas[3]
It has a re-entrant tuning (Yipee!) - the 3rd course has a low octave
string in between the two treble ones. The other courses are in
unison. It is tuned bbb gGg dd ee and is diatonically fretted
and also has partial frets at the top of the finger board.
The bourdon on the 3rd course is of twisted brass.
It is played with a plectrum and the music is in Italian tablature.
For good measure I will send you Azucena off the list.
Monica
On 25 June 2012 14:38, Monica Hall <[1][2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
La Azuzena = kind of flower? I can't figure out the repeats. It's
A+B 3
times (A is 8 bars and B 16 bars) I played it AAB A'A'B' A''B'', for
some reason or other.
I just looked at the cittern version (should have done that first!)
- and what I said is incorrect!!! Sorry about that. Alejandro
Vera
hadn't seen the cittern version.
I think it is a villancico. The Copla is in two sections and each
is repeated. But the last bit is the Estribillo or refrain. The
estribillo is really supposed to alternate with the copla. But if
that is how Murcia intended to be performed - he hasn't made it
very
clear.
So what you are doing seems to be right.
As ever in too much of a hurry
Monica
Stuart
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