> That's an unsubstantiated slur:

Heh, this part was not meant to be objective, it is only my
personal experience.

> - The menubar and toolbar can be removed via an option setting (two
> flags in 'guioptions'). Not so for the menubar on any "modern" terminal
> emulator.

It works for konsole and mxterm at least, no idea what terminal
emulators
you use. The only extra vertical space I typically keep is for the
different
terminal tabs in the lowest row (and this can be made pretty small).

> - gvim isn't constrained by a terminal for its choice of fonts,
> encodings, and keystrokes. If something goes wrong in its keyboard or
> display interface, it's usually easier to find and fix, since only Vim
> can be responsible, and it has first-quality help.

Konsole "just works" too (at least here it does). And since console
vim
is so useful for working over ssh anyway, I don't see any reason to
have
different font settings for vim and gvim. Liberation Sans is good
enough
for me (at least for now).

> - Even if you (or I) keep the menu & toolbar displayed, any "precious
> real estate" they take up is easily reclaimed by tweaking the 'guifont',
> 'lines' and 'columns' (with my usual settings, gvim has lines=63
> columns=199 while a typical terminal would, at most, use 60 lines by 80
> columns).

Vertical real estate is more valuable than the horizontal one since
more
and more monitors are "wide". Unless you like to rotate it of course.
I didn't get the part about the size. Konsole is arbitrarily
resizable.
I can get > 200 columns even without X using kernel mode setting
or the framebuffer driver with the 1920x1200 monitor resolution.

In any case, this is off-topic and I really shouldn't have ranted
about gvim.
The only point I 'm trying to make is that console vim is at least as
useful
(more useful imho) and deserves to get support for asynchronous
input /
netbeans interface too :)

Regards,
Pantelis


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