Marc et all
I did go to the junkyard and scoured round for dizzys. My contact seems to
have a whole pile to sift thru.....what fun!! He has organised his shop
recently thus the opportunity. I think I can get any specific type I look for
there with a bit of luck.
I found one in pretty bad shape with the old type vac can.......it has an
adjustment on the diaphgram and a threaded opening for the pipe to attach. I
picked this one immediately and hope it may come in some good use aside from
its novelty value for me. Its been a long time since I ve seen one of these.
Asad.
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008
> 15:24:18 +0000> Subject: Re: [vintagvw] Dizzy for 40 horser> > > > WOW!> >
> Thanks Marc, looking at the charts shocked me with the wide range of
> different model numbers there were for the dizzys.> > Here is some work I did
> just now.> > Pulled out the dizzy from the engine. The engine number is
> 6410993.> > The current dizzy's part number is 0 231 137 005, the VW number
> being 111 905 205N. This came with the smaller can (a faulty unit if I
> remember right) as I mentioned earlier which I had changed over to the
> bigger. The cap with this unit is a Bosch made in Taiwan item having the
> number 111 905 207C.> > I fished out the old dizzy I had discarded from the
> engine. Theres a bit of side to side play in the shaft and its missing the
> clips and some bits. Looked quite worn out. Bosch part number was 0 321 137
> 009 and VW part number 113 905 205K. It had come with the cap 1235 522 056
> which was found to be incompatible as it was too high for the dizzy. We had
> been having probs with not enough spark reaching the plugs with this wrong
> cap. > > I found three incomplete dizzys and some loose vac cans in my parts
> bin too. I had bought these to yield spares to make a good unit, washers,
> clips, screws etc. The unit numbers are as follows:> > 1. Bosch number 0 231
> 147 002, VW no 111 905 205M> 2. Bosch number 0 231 137 029, VW no 111 905
> 205T> 3. Bosch number 0 231 137 009, VW no 113 905 205K. This has a big can
> attached.> > Finally I have a complete dizzy which I had bought for someone
> who never picked it up (this happens a lot of times much to my exasperation).
> Bosch part number 0 231 137 039, VW part no 111 905 205AA. This has a big vac
> can and a ‘high’ cap.> Now we have a perfectly nifty picture to rummage our
> brains on. What may be the best setup given the parts at hand??> Can look for
> more dizzys when I visit the junkyard this Saturday. The shop guy had his
> shop cleaned and organized so I m hoping Id have a choice amongst at least a
> handful of units. Have noted down the choice of three from the old volks
> chart for guidance. Would stay away from the older ZV series given at the
> bottom. They are rare as hens teeth anyways.> > TIA> Asad.> > PS: I just
> followed the link for the 61 to 64 bug on the chart and it gives in the ‘can
> use’ section the number of the dizzy I am using (111 905 205N). Problem
> solved maybe??> > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:52:29 -0800> From: [EMAIL
> PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [vintagvw] Dizzy for 40
> horser> > Hmmm. All of the "137" distributors took the 03 001> cap; I was
> expecting yours to be a "139" with the 03> 037 cap.>
> http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ovhignbo.htm> Relative prices of the different
> tune-up parts are> here (note that the 02 170 condenser is obsolete/NLA):> >
> http://home.comcast.net/~marcsoutlet/site/?/page/Bosch_ignition_parts/>
> Anyway, the surface area of the vacuum diaphragm and> the tension of the
> return spring determine the advance> "curve". A larger diaphragm is going to
> exert MORE> pull than a small one at a given vacuum level, so it's> not
> generally a good idea to play "mix and match" with> these things. The length
> of the link arm is often> different, too - in that case the breaker plate
> may> reach the limit of its travel before the canister> does.> > --- asad
> ishaque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > > Thanks Marc for the advice,> > >
> > I looked at the engine and the dizzy but all I> > could read was 0 231 137
> in the first row and a vw> > logo with 111 905 in the next. I know you would
> need> > the last letters to know what the thing is. I should> > pull the
> dizzy out soon to have a good look. Will> > report back then.> > > > I do
> remember that this dizzy came with a smaller> > vacuum cannister when I had
> picked it from the> > junkyard. The unit which came with the engine/car> >
> was also a similar smaller one with a bigger vac> > can. I do remember the
> part numbers were different. > > I had reused the bigger can and binned the
> old dizzy> > as it was too worn out.> > > > Why were the vac cans of
> different sizes?? Do> > they work on different levels of vacuum?? Logic> >
> would say the smaller can would 'kick in' with its> > advance earlier than a
> bigger one.> > > > Will report back with an update soon.> > > > TIA> > Asad>
> > > Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:03:12 -0800> From:> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
> [email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [vintagvw] Dizzy for 40 horser> >
> The> > 01 006 2-piece points sets are still available,> but> > they cost over
> twice as much as the more-common 01>> > 011 used on more "modern"
> distributors. Those> > big-cap> units were infamous for developing excess> >
> advance at> low speeds - it's been over 20 years> > since I've seen> one that
> didn't suffer from this> > problem. What's the> 10-digit Bosch number of the>
> > one you're running now?> Odds are that it doesn't> > get a strong enough
> vacuum> signal from this engine> > to work right, but if you can> set it at
> 7.5-10°> > initial and get 30° or more total> out of it by> > ~3000RPM it's
> "good enough". If not, IMO> you'd be> > better off with a 0 231 178 009>
> centrifugal-advance> > unit than with the antique....and> tune-up parts for>
> > those are easy to find.> > > --- asad ishaque> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:> > > > > Volks,>> > > > > > > I run a 40 horsy 61-2 vintage 1200 in
> my> > daily> > driver 68 bug. The engine has a more> > 'modern' VW> > dizzy
> currently, I guess a late> > sixties unit with> > the smaller cap. I got my
> hands> > on what may be the> > correct unit for the motor.Has> > the number
> ZU/PAU 4R5> > on the nifty plate at the> > side. Its one of those big> > cap
> dizzys.> > > >> > Will I get any benefits if I run this particular> >> >
> dizzy?? I think the performance of all the> > different> > dizzys differs??>
> > > > I would need to> > get a new cap, point n condenser> > to complete the>
> > setup. The local VW shop has the> > last few NOS> > caps on its shelf but
> advised me not to> > go for> > the setup as the points are hard to find for>
> > this> > unit.> > > > Any thoughts welcome.> > > > Asad> > >> > >> > > > >
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