Hey Fred I did not, but not sure the list allows for attachments. I'm curious now. :)
On Jun 3, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Fred Olver wrote: > cott, I had attached my grilling cookbook to my previous message, did you get > it? > > Fred Olver > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Howell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: iGrill (bluetooth thermometer review > > > Fred, > > I Believe there is at least one company that makes a fork that will audibly > provide the temp. The difference in this case is the IGrill will let you > measure the temp remotely and accessibly wich is rather nice. I have not > purchased one of these myself, but if you smoke any kind of meat I can see > how this device would be very handy and especially if it is really cold > outdoors. :) > And someone was curious if you could use it in an oven and yes you can from > what I was told. > > On Jun 3, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Fred Olver wrote: > >> Gentlemen, There is a facility in San Fransisco which also makes an >> accessible grilling thermometer. Can't remember it's name, but will look it >> later and get back to you. It does not work with the I-devices, but looks to >> be nearly as functional. >> See attachment. >> Fred Olver >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Howell" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:36 AM >> Subject: Re: iGrill (bluetooth thermometer review >> >> >> Scott, >> >> I would suggest you send your request and concerns about the app to the >> company that develops iGrill. I know they are rather pleased to have made >> the accessibility changes and may be willing to make a few more tweaks. I >> have found in more cases than not developers who are willing to make >> corrections for accessibility. I had considered the Igrill as well, but your >> review has certainly peaked my interest again. I like to smoke meat as well >> and this would be a nice solution and especially when we put turkey on for >> smoking around THanks Giving. I might have to send you a private note to get >> your thoughts on smokers since I just had to trash my old bullet smoker >> which gave up the ghost. >> Thanks for the great review. >> >> Scott >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 11:38 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> I do a lot of grilling, and more important, slow smoking of ribs, brisket >>> and pork and other great meats. (It's times like this I feel sorry for the >>> vegetarians out there.) But, one of my biggest problems was getting a meet >>> and grill temperature reading during the cooking process. About a year >>> ago, I noticed a product called iGrill by iDevices Inc. The url is >>> http://www.igrillinc.com/ that had a wireless bluetooth digital thermometer >>> and iPHone/iPod/IPad application. I instantly downloaded the free app, to >>> see how well it worked with voiceover, and was disappointed. Last week, I >>> noticed an update for the app that included a bug fix bullet item reading >>> "improved voiceover support". I downloaded the app and checked it out. >>> Things looked very very promising, but I didn't have the hardware. That >>> all changed with a recent UPS delivery. I'm very pleased with their >>> progress, and feel it is a very useable solution with most features >>> accessible, and I'm sharing my review here. >>> >>> I opened the box and it came with a base unit, two temperature probes, and >>> batteries. Without reading a thing, I was able to install the batteries, >>> and plug in the two probes. The front of the unit has three touch >>> sensitive buttons. Not my first choice for a blind user, but they are >>> dimpled and distinguishable. At this point I ran the iGrill application >>> on the phone and listened to the getting started instructions. The three >>> buttons are power and plus and minus The plus being above the minus and the >>> power being to the left of those two. However, other than the power button, >>> the device can be controlled entirely from the iOS application, so you >>> really don't need to worry about the plus and minus buttons on the unit. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> As instructed by the online documentation accessible via the application, >>> ,I pressed all three buttons to enable the device to pair, and sure enough, >>> in Settings, General, Bluetooth, on my iPhone, the iGrill showed up and >>> could be paired. >>> . >>> The key to this product is in the iGrill application, a free download from >>> the Apple App Store. In the iGrill app, there are Four major button tabs. >>> Cooking, Tools, INfo and Settings. >>> >>> The "cooking" button is where you have access to the remote temperature >>> probe data. If the device is off an not paired, this section will read not >>> connected. If the iGrill is on, you will see readable data on two probes >>> with current temperature, user defined label, and alarm label. Flicking >>> works perfectly and all data seems easily and quickly accessible. You can >>> rename the two probe labels to anything you wish. Since I smoke, meat, I >>> have one labeled as meat and the other as grill. Logical examples might be >>> fish or chicken. The device comes with two probes designed for food. An >>> ambient temperature probe for grill surface can be purchased separately. >>> What I was stunned and pleasantly surprised to see, was that there are a >>> slew of predefined temperatures for a range of foods that you can pick from >>> that have the right temperature already defined. Want that tuna the right >>> temp, pick tuna. Want a chicken done just right, select chicken. And, you >>> may add your own items to the list. Basically, this is a Label with a >>> target temperature. All totally accessible and properly labeled with >>> voiceover tags. Now, what's nice for the smokers out there, you can also >>> specify a temperature range. Smokers generally like to keep their grill >>> temperature between 225 and 250, and for any probe, you can specify a >>> target temperature or a range of temperatures. The target temp will alarm >>> when the probe hits that temperature. The range temperature will alarm >>> when the temperature goes above or below that range. Both the target and >>> range temperatures work great. >>> >>> My only complaint on the cooking tab is that for both probes you have the >>> option of facebook and twitter buttons. In my opinion, a waste of space. >>> Just because you can integrate easily with social media via the iOS API >>> doesn't mean you should. At the very least, I wish the buttons would go >>> away of you don't have a twittter or facebook account. Maybe they'll >>> read this review and make it a preference. I'll save my diatribe for the >>> insanity of facebook for another post. >>> >>> >>> The Tools tab has three items: Timers, Graph, and Globe. The Timer section >>> allows you to create either count up or countdown timers. Unfortunately, >>> the UI for this feature is not Voiceover friendly. You can create a number >>> of named timers, but picking the time is done through a horrid number of >>> button items. And the granularity is only to the minute, not second. >>> Basically, you have to scroll through page after page of 60 buttons, one >>> for each minute between 0 and 60, plus buttons for hours. It's the craziest >>> UI I've seen for a time entry field. Popup picker items, or simple text >>> field entry areas would have been much more useful as well as voice over >>> friendly. I would say the Timer area is not practical for voiceover users, >>> but the inclusion of a Timer at all, is a feature that goes above and >>> beyond the core functionality of the product. >>> >>> The next item is Graph. This is not useful for voiceover users, since it >>> shows the temperature over time visually. A great feature for smokers who >>> can see, but you can export the data to a csv file and email it to >>> yourself. But within the app, the raw table data is not available or >>> voiceover friendly. >>> >>> The last item is Globe, and this is more social media from what I can tell, >>> but I will not review it since I do not participate in those things for >>> privacy and identity theft risk. >>> >>> >>> The third main tab is Info. This has Links to video guides on youtube for >>> the iGrill. There is a slight incompatibility with voiceover in that if >>> you double click on the popup video item from a picker selection list, it >>> does not launch. For some reason, you have to pick it and then close the >>> picker with the done button, to have the application send you to youtube to >>> see the video. This is where you can learn about the features of the >>> iGrill as well as have access to phone and email support and the iGrill >>> store. >>> >>> The last tab is Settings, where you can select your preferences regarding >>> sounds for the alarms, how you wish to see the degrees in C or F. And >>> finally see the version of the iGrill app itself. >>> >>> Overall, the iGrill by iDevices provides a totally accessible two >>> thermometer probe unit that works with voiceover with your iOS device. It >>> absolutely solved a problem that I have, and I suspect others out there >>> might appreciate this product. The lack of usability for some features >>> that are beyond the core features of the device seem less important. I was >>> able to take the device from box to grill without any assistance. What I >>> can't speak for now is the battery life or how the product will hold up >>> over time. >>> >>> The list price of the device is $80 and the Ambient probe is an extra $20. >>> I found mine at amazon.com for about $72. In my opinion, they should >>> bundle a version with one food probe and one ambient probe for the smokers >>> out there, but I think overall, the device is a useful product that works >>> well with voiceover. I'd recommend this product for people who cook and >>> want to know the temperature of their food and grill or oven. >>> >>> The bottomline: I like it and it works well with voiceover. I suggest you >>> read sighted reviews on amazon for additional details, but the voiceover >>> side is working well for me. The negatives include the lack of a physical >>> on off switch and the use of touch sensative buttons on the device, and >>> some extra features of the application are not voiceover friendly. >>> >>> Overall I think it's a great product and demonstrates how a mainstream >>> product and iOS app that's coded with accessibility in mind can solve a >>> problem for both sighted and blind user alike. >>> >>> >>> Hope you found this post useful. >>> --Scott >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> <word 97-2003.doc> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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