As with any other organization taken over by fundamentalist fanatics there
is no argument that will persuade such individuals. Unfortunately there are
again as with any other endeavor a few guide dog schools and guide dog users
who give everyone else a bad name by some of the practices they engage in. 

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:19
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Smartphone-Friendly Innovation Holds Promise of Freeing Dogs
>From Involuntary Service

I have one of that PETA fans here in my neighborhood. I only found out after
having a conversation about getting a dog guide. He flat out told me that I
should not be allowed to use a dog in that manner.

any argument to the contrary was met with the same old tired line: animals
are not slaves. I basically had to tell him that if he became blind, that he
might understand my position better. not only did he say that nothing could
make him blind, he still wouldn't allow the use of a guide dog. I ended up
walking away shaking my head at his unbelievable ignorance.

PETA is one of those organizations that started out with good intentions and
has morphed into a radical animal rights front. The one thing I took away
from this: there is no reasoning with a fanatic. they only understand force.

-eric

On Jul 24, 2012, at 7:08 AM, Michael Malver wrote:

> And you probably won't find an app to replace your dog either.  Sure, I
can find a gps tool to tell me what buildings are near me, and what streets
are coming up, but only a guidedog can walk you through large puddles while
managing to keep its own feet dry by pulling away from what you just walked
through.
> And no, I'm nt complaining. Though it's annoying, I have to admire my
dog's problem solving skills.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Minor
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: OT: RE: Smartphone-Friendly Innovation Holds Promise of Freeing
Dogs From Involuntary Service
>  
> Hi.
>  
> I know this message will quickly go off topic if not careful, so I will
just mention that groups like PETA consider any animal that has been
domesticated the same as a slave.  It doesn't matter how well the creature
is treated.  I have a Seeing Eye dog, and I haven't found an app for my
iPhone that would replace him.  He seems quite happy and in fact eager to
guide me where I need to go.
>  
> Just my thoughts on the topic.
>  
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY, President, Bluegrass Council of the Blind.
> kmi...@windstream.net
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