I'm getting a the beatle display soon and was looking at the manual. I noticed that there was no section on upgrading the firmware, will hims be releasing updated firmware or is what it ships with what you get?
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 10:13:54 AM UTC-4, Scott Davert wrote: > > HI Amy. > Yes, it appears the bluetooth issues have been fixed and that you can > now assign channels to specific devices. Yay. > > Scott > > On 8/25/15, Amy Ruell <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > > Hi Scott and all, > > 1.31 has fixed the Bluetooth issues with iOS devices that were found in > > 1.3. > > Amy > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Aug 25, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Scott Davert <[email protected] > <javascript:>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi mary. > >> There were some significant issues with version 1.3 related to > >> bluetooth connectivity, but I have not tested 1.31 yet, which > >> apparently resolves most of these issues. I know they have beta > >> testers, I'm kind of surprised 1.3 hit at all with such issues. > >> Anyway, I'll report back once I have had time to put the new firmware > >> release through its paces. > >> > >> Scott > >> > >>> On 8/24/15, Mary Otten <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > >>> Hi Scott, > >>> I am under the impression that the latest release of firmware for the > >>> Verio > >>> cleared up some of the issues that it had been having. What do you > find > >>> frustrating with the current release as compared with other displays? > >>> Mary > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Scott Davert <[email protected] > <javascript:>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi all. > >>>> I've had a Smart Beetle for the program I run for the past few weeks, > >>>> and it's a bit like the VarioUltra in the sense that it still needs > >>>> some work. Though with the current release of the VarioUltra > firmware, > >>>> there is more frustration in using a VU as opposed to the Beetle for > >>>> me. > >>>> The only things I have found to cut back on lag have nothing to do > >>>> with the Smart Beetle specifically, but some VoiceOver settings that > >>>> you can change. I wrote a guide you can find at: > >>>> > http://applevis.com/guides/accessories-bluetooth-braille-ios-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch-voiceover/3-ways-possibly-speed-your > > >>>> > >>>> Scott > >>>> > >>>> On 8/22/15, '[email protected] <javascript:>' via VIPhone > >>>> <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > >>>>> Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag > >>>>> between > >>>>> > >>>>> transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. > >>>>> > >>>>> Carol P > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Flor Lynch" <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >>>>> To: <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM > >>>>> Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or > Computer, > >>>>> Braille? Does one still see the same time lag transferring between > the > >>>>> display's clipboard, and the phone? > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Andrew Lamanche > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM > >>>>> To: VIPhone > >>>>> Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Carol, > >>>>> > >>>>> I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know > about > >>>>> the > >>>>> lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not > sure > >>>>> - > >>>>> nor > >>>>> do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. > But > >>>>> I > >>>>> thought I'd let them know anyway because that's quite a point > against > >>>>> buying > >>>>> their product which otherwise is very attractive. > >>>>> > >>>>> I will write to accessibility at Apple as I always do when I > encounter > >>>>> the > >>>>> problem. I haven't done so so far because I wasn't sure whose patch > >>>>> it > >>>>> is. > >>>>> it's getting rather confusing who is responsible for what. > >>>>> > >>>>> Please keep my e-mail in your contacts and let me know what you've > >>>>> found > >>>>> out. And maybe if you wish, please send me your e-mail address for > my > >>>>> records privately. I will keep in touch with respect to Smart > Beetle. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best wishes > >>>>> > >>>>> Andrew > >>>>>> On 15 Aug 2015, at 20:05, '[email protected] <javascript:>' > via > >>>>>> VIPhone > >>>>>> <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Andrew, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks so much for doing the test for me. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I wasn't surprised by your results because we have Braille Sense > >>>>>> machines > >>>>>> > >>>>>> here and had experienced this lag. There are two reasons why I > >>>>>> wanted > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> add the Smart Beetle, partily because it's that much smaller for > >>>>>> taking > >>>>>> around and, secondly, because I was hoping the lag would have been > >>>>>> solved > >>>>>> > >>>>>> by the introduction of the Beetle. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> However, all is not yet lost because I think there probably will > soon > >>>>>> be > >>>>>> a > >>>>>> > >>>>>> new driver and, well, I'm just holding on and hoping that this will > >>>>>> solve > >>>>>> > >>>>>> at least a good part of the lagging. I have mentioned this to the > >>>>>> Accessability Team at > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [email protected] <javascript:> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and I'd really advise you to do the same just as soon as you can. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm also going to double check with HIMS that Apple are supposed to > >>>>>> do > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> driver and not HIMS themselves. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you're not a very fast Braillist then all may well not be lost > for > >>>>>> you, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> especially if you're prepared to make that cuppa whilst you wait > for > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> translation. I feel fairly sure that the problem is the same > whether > >>>>>> you're copying from the clipboard or writing in "real time", and > it's > >>>>>> a > >>>>>> lag in translation, I think. However, I'm not the expert, so we'll > >>>>>> just > >>>>>> go on telling them all what we know and what's important to us. > >>>>>> <Smiles> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I will write to the Accessability Team again myself to highlight > this > >>>>>> issue, in view of the recent introduction of Smart Beetle and what > >>>>>> I've > >>>>>> gleaned so far, so then they can't be saying they didn't know all > >>>>>> about > >>>>>> it. . . .. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> By the way, if we're rather pushing this on list and it's preferred > >>>>>> we > >>>>>> take it off list then please, George or someone, tell us that this > is > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> case. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I know Jackie is interested, but would hate to bore everyone to > >>>>>> death. > >>>>>> Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! <Smiles> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and > I'll > >>>>>> do > >>>>>> the same. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers and thanks for your input on this. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Carol P > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Lamanche" > >>>>>> <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >>>>>> To: "VIPhone" <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:15 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Carol, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I’m afraid I’ve got bad news. I’ve done the test as you’ve asked > me > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> and there is quite a considerable lag in both instances: using the > >>>>>> text > >>>>>> input straight into the edit field and using the clipboard method. > >>>>>> This > >>>>>> is disappointing. I’m not the fastest Braille writer and yet the > lag > >>>>>> was > >>>>>> > >>>>>> definitely there even though the text was quite short. also, I > found > >>>>>> editing a document quite a laborious task again because of the lag. > >>>>>> It > >>>>>> took sometimes a few seconds for the cursor to route to the right > >>>>>> letter > >>>>>> and when inserting a letter or letters again it took a few seconds > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> text to appear on the display. Very disappointed. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> One more thing I want to try is pairing the Smart Beetle with my > >>>>>> iPhone > >>>>>> as > >>>>>> > >>>>>> a bluetooth keyboard and inputing the text from that mode to see > >>>>>> whether > >>>>>> it is the Braille mode that slows it down. Apparently it is > possible > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> use combo mode with smart beetle, i.e. pairing it both as a Braille > >>>>>> display and as a bluetooth keyboard and then changing how you use > it > >>>>>> using > >>>>>> > >>>>>> a shortcut key. I will have to read some more about it. In a way, > >>>>>> I’m > >>>>>> anxious now that I made a wrong choice and yet I would have > struggled > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> raise more finances for a more expensive product. Maybe not all is > >>>>>> lost > >>>>>> and maybe, just maybe, HIMS will improve their software, and maybe > >>>>>> once > >>>>>> Apple incorporates Smart Beetle driver into its OS it will speed > >>>>>> things > >>>>>> up. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sorry I have no better news. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Andrew > >>>>>>> On 14 Aug 2015, at 22:58, '[email protected] <javascript:>' > via > >>>>>>> VIPhone > >>>>>>> <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Andrew, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hmm! Wish S&S had their act together before my demo. I'd > thought, > >>>>>>> maybe, the use of the Braille Sense, in the manual was perhaps an > >>>>>>> oversight in not correcting stuff ... as this happens ... but it > >>>>>>> wasn't, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I gather. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The other reason that would make me really want this unit is if > you > >>>>>>> could > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> answer "Yes" definitely to one further point. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You may not have done this, but you can use the clipboard setting > to > >>>>>>> temporarily disable the keyboard so that you can write something > in > >>>>>>> your > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> own clipboard, so to speak. In this case, you write quite a bit > of > >>>>>>> text, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> say, 300 words, then try sending to your iPhone. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You get into the clipboard with backspace+enter+C and then send by > >>>>>>> pressing "Enter". > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In previous Sense products, I've found this to be too slow for me > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> even unreliable, possibly running out of memory ... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'd love to be able to use this feature, but quickly and not feel > I > >>>>>>> wanted to drink a cuppa whilst waiting. I found it translated the > >>>>>>> text > >>>>>>> only as quickly as it did ifyou were brailling directly and were > >>>>>>> having > >>>>>>> to wait for it to be translated into the phone, and that wasn't > what > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> wanted! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Can you try this out, please, and let me know what you think. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep > for > >>>>>>> further reference. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Carol P > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Lamanche" > >>>>>>> <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >>>>>>> To: "VIPhone" <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:15 PM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Carol, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes, at present you have to pair Smart Beetle as BrailleSense > >>>>>>> because > >>>>>>> Apple has not as yet incorporated the Smart Beetle driver into its > >>>>>>> operating systems. However, HIMS provide instructions on how to > >>>>>>> make > >>>>>>> Smart Beetle appear as BrailleSense. Once i took the initial > steps > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> accomplish this on Smart Beetle itself, the pairing went smoothly. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Below I'm pasting the instructions as I received them from HIMS. > >>>>>>> They > >>>>>>> are also included with the product on a separate Braille sheet. > >>>>>>> "Smart Beetle with Apple products. > >>>>>>> Note, the below refers to using Smart Beetle with products running > >>>>>>> Apple's iOS, including iPhone, iPad, and iPod as well as mac > >>>>>>> computers. > >>>>>>> At the time of this writing, Apple has not implemented a Smart > >>>>>>> Beetle > >>>>>>> specific driver into iOS or the Mac OS. Thus, it has become > >>>>>>> necessary > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> us to do a work around in order that you may use your Smart Beetle > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>> i-devices and Mac computers. > >>>>>>> In short, this work-around allows the Smart Beetle to emulate a > >>>>>>> Braille > >>>>>>> Sense notetaker, which is supported in Apple's operating systems. > >>>>>>> You > >>>>>>> can > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> turn this emulation on and off simply by changing the Bluetooth > name > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the Bluetooth Serial port on the Smart Beetle. > >>>>>>> note: this work-around requires you to use the Smart Beetle via > >>>>>>> Bluetooth > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> when using a Mac computer. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To change the Bluetooth name, please do the following: > >>>>>>> 1) Press Power-F1, choose BRL and press "Enter". The unit displays > >>>>>>> "pairing BRL". > >>>>>>> 2) Press the Power button to open the menu, and Press the shortcut > >>>>>>> "I" > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> open "Information". > >>>>>>> 3) From the "Information" list, press (F2-F3-Dot1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8). > >>>>>>> 4) Return to "Information", and confirm the BRL Bluetooth name. > >>>>>>> Each time you follow these steps, the Bluetooth name is toggled > >>>>>>> between > >>>>>>> "SmartBeetle" and "BrailleSense", thus, you can use Smart Beetle > in > >>>>>>> it's > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> normal configuration for other screen readers. In addition, when > >>>>>>> Apple > >>>>>>> introduces Smart gheetle support, you will be able to change the > >>>>>>> Bluetooth name back to Smart Beetle and use it properly from that > >>>>>>> time." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I was nervous at first but I had downloaded the user guide for > Smart > >>>>>>> Beetle from HIMS website and since the description of the unit was > >>>>>>> very > >>>>>>> good, I was able to learn a lot about it before I actually put my > >>>>>>> hands > >>>>>>> on it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Good luck and ask anything if you wish and I will do my best to > >>>>>>> answer. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Andrew > >>>>>>>> On 14 Aug 2015, at 15:40, '[email protected] > <javascript:>' via > >>>>>>>> VIPhone > >>>>>>>> <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Andrew, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> How did you manage to pair it and which of the keyboard settings > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> using? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I saw one, as demo, but we couldn't pair it at the time and it > >>>>>>>> seemed > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> be because you had to pair it as Braille Sense, or something. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Please tell me what you did etc? I did like the look and feel of > >>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> very much and wanted one but ... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Carol P > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Lamanche" > >>>>>>>> <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >>>>>>>> To: "VIPhone" <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >>>>>>>> Cc: <[email protected] <javascript:>> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:47 PM > >>>>>>>> Subject: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Listers, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display > >>>>>>>> produced > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> by HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in > the > >>>>>>>> UK, > >>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> feel I'm gonna love it! it's small and the cells are nice. I've > >>>>>>>> already paired it with my iphone. And by the way, this Braille > >>>>>>>> display > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> can remember 5 different bluetooth devices to which one connects. > >>>>>>>> It > >>>>>>>> also has a USB connection. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know it's going to be a steep learning curve and that I'm going > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> asking lots of questions but I've already managed to read using > >>>>>>>> Smart > >>>>>>>> Beetle from Voice Dream Reader and ibooks. The pleasure of > reading > >>>>>>>> quietly is intense! I'm delighted. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> At present it seems that I have to keep my iphone or ipad > unlocked > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> order to use my Smart Beetle. Is this the case in your experience > >>>>>>>> too? > >>>>>>>> Also, Smart Beetle can connect via bluetooth either as a Braille > >>>>>>>> display > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> or as a bluetooth keyboard emulator and it can also work in combo > >>>>>>>> mode, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> i.e. you can have it connected as a Braille display and as a > >>>>>>>> bluetooth > >>>>>>>> keyboard for more functionality. I can navigate home screens > using > >>>>>>>> it, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> open and close applications, read text, I've written a text > message > >>>>>>>> using it, I can use the rotor. However, when in Mail, I couldn't > >>>>>>>> find > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> way of deleting an email I didn't want to read and I was > wondering > >>>>>>>> whether there may be an equivalent of a swiping gesture that > >>>>>>>> Braille > >>>>>>>> display could imitate. 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