Anna,
Thanks much for this clarification. It sounds like when I finally move to iTunes 12.x and iOS 9.x, I just need to take care that any apps downloaded straight to my iPhone get transferred to my computer. I admit that I'm still a bit confused how I'll get these apps into my computer if ticking the Transfer Purchases option in iTunes no longer guarantees they get copied to the computer. If this no longer works, how are apps directly transferred to your iPhone uploaded to the computer? Does a sync accomplish this because I don't think it did in the past? Alan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: backing up apps to iTunes - was Re: iMazing for Windows Hi alan, You can still download apps from the app store into iTunes, and I'm pretty sure that if you restore from an iTunes backup, you'll get whatever version of the app you have in iTunes. I had about 45 apps that for some reason were not in the Mobile Apps folder on my computer, and when I tried to restore my new phone from an iTunes backup, I couldn't get those apps. So clearly iTunes was looking to its own library to restore the apps, rather than downloading them from the Internet. I think that what has changed is that you can't count on Transfer Purchases to automatically copy whatever apps you have on your phone to your computer. With the app that wasn't in the app store, I deleted the shortcut to it that was in my iTunes library, connected my old phone, and chose Transfer Purchases. The app wasn't copied to my phone. I also tried backing up that phone, and the app still wasn't copied. So if you have an app in your library, it should be copied to your phone when you restore from an iTunes backup. But if the app isn't on your computer, the only way to get it there is to download it from the iTunes store. Best, Anna On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Alan Lemly <[email protected]> wrote: Anna, I haven't read all of this thread but I think I've read enough to get the gist. I'm concerned because what I've gathered is that users will no longer be able to manage backups of their apps on their local computers. Am I interpreting this thread correctly about that? Does this also mean that fetching an app using iTunes on ones' computer instead of grabbing it with your iDevice will no longer be possible? My major concern is that not everyone chooses to use the latest and often not the greatest version of an app. For example, I use Audible version 2.4.2 versus the current version 2.6.x and I'm still using Fleksy VO which is no longer available in the Apps Store. If my iPhone croaks or if I choose to upgrade it, what versions of my apps that I've backed up using iTunes will be restored to my replacement iPhone should I do an iTunes restore if I'm not able to save my apps locally? Is Apple going to force everyone to be on the latest version of an app should a restore be required? I'm not confident they are going to track the specific app versions everyone is running and make those various versions available for download from the cloud. This would certainly be possible but I'm doubtful that model will be pursued. It is much less costly for them to try an force the current versions on everyone. I hope I've missed something and what I've outlined above will not be the practice going forward but I welcome clarification and further comments on this issue. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: backing up apps to iTunes - was Re: iMazing for Windows Hi Ari, That's certainly been my experience, and that's also what Apple tech support said. Annoying, and I'd like to be proven wrong, but all the evidence I've encountered recently suggests that it's true. Best, Anna On Oct 19, 2015, at 12:11 PM, [email protected] wrote: Apps not being backed up when you do a back up makes sense, but not when you do a transfer purchases. Are you sure? That's such a core functionality of iTunes, that it would surprise me if it was removed. Thanks, Ari On Oct 19, 2015, at 9:32 AM, Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Ari, Apparently in iOS 9, apps aren't backed up to the computer when you do an iTunes backup or transfer purchases. The iMazing tech support guy gave me the following link, which makes for interesting reading on the subject: <https://imazing.com/blog/why-did-apple-kill-app-extraction-in-ios-9> https://imazing.com/blog/why-did-apple-kill-app-extraction-in-ios-9 Best, Anna On Oct 18, 2015, at 6:34 PM, [email protected] wrote: That seems really weird. I would completely restart the computer and iPhone, and then try again, just in case. Thanks, Ari On Oct 18, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Ari, that's exactly what I thought when I started this process, but it turned out not to be the case. According to the tech support guy at Apple, an iTunes backup is exactly like an iCloud backup, in that only the data is backed up, not the apps. As near as I can tell, if you choose transfer Purchases, which I always do before backing up, any new apps on your phone are copied to your computer. Older apps are not copied, however. This is true even if the app isn't in your iTunes library. The app I was having trouble with was in my library at some point, but somehow it got deleted from the Mobile Apps folder on my computer. When I realized this, I deleted the entry for the app from my iTunes library and synced my old phone with my computer, fully expecting the app to be copied from my phone to my computer. It wasn't, and the tech support guy said that was to be expected. Frustrating, but apparently that's the way it is. Best, Anna On Oct 18, 2015, at 2:19 PM, [email protected] wrote: Are both the phones using the same Apple ID? If so, you should be able to sync the old phone to iTunes, and then transfer the app to the new phone. Thanks, Ari On Oct 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Woody Anna Dresner <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I tried to use the Mac version of this app. I had an app on my old iPhone that is no longer in the app store and isn't on my computer, and I was hoping to be able to use iMazing to copy it from the old phone to my computer and then transfer it to my new phone. I was unable to do it, but I got a response within about 12 hours from someone who tried to help. I responded, and he responded back within just a few hours. It turns out that due to an Apple policy, I can't get the app onto my new phone, but at least their tech support was fast and responsive. I will probably uninstall the app because I don't think it will do more for me than iTunes can, but I wanted to let people know the company does seem to be improving their tech support. Best, Anna On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Richard Turner <[email protected]> wrote: OK, my last comment on this application. I found a review on cNet from a user from July of this year. | Version: iMazing 1.2.1 Pros i could find nothing about the software that was a positive. i removed it and bought another solution Cons After i loaded the product I could not get the files to transfer. I contacted the help desk on 5 different because they would suggest something that didn't work After my 3rd email I asked for a phone number,so I could talk with a human to solve the problem. They did not provide me with a number. They told me in an email they had an update,they were releasing the next day that would resolve the issue. It did not resolve the issue. The help desk was extremely slow in responding. Since I was getting a solution I decided to post to their Facebook page. They responded then, they did refund the cost of the software. They told me they took my comment down because it wasn't accurate. Summary The product didn't work and they didn't support the product to make it work. Their support was weak at best. My feedback this is not a solution keep looking.Their service and product are pathetic I am going to try to contact the reviewer and find out what the other solution was they bought. Richard -- The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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