Hi, Anthony, I guess it's possible that apple has reduced its accessibility efforts in addition to the things I mentioned in my previous message. After all, Apple's resources, while large, aren't infinite. And with Apple's emphasis on releasing new hardware each year; they may have diverted effort from accessibility. Marshall
> On Nov 29, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Anthony Vece <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Marshall; > > Since the passing of Steve, I wonder if the accessivility issue is as strong. > > Sent from my Verizon iPhone 6s! > >> On Nov 29, 2015, at 6:29 PM, Marshall Scott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I think there are two major reasons for the recent problems with >> accessibility at Apple. The first is that Apple now has to develop and >> support software and hardware for four product lines. These lines are OS X, >> iOS for iDevices, the apple Watch and finally Apple TV. Apple also has to >> support older devices like the iPhone 4S. The differences between these >> products may be slight but they have to be tested. >> The second issue is that Apple has decided on a 12 month release schedule. >> As a former programmer, I feel like this is too short a development cycle to >> really fix bugs in software >> Just my opinion. >> Marshall >> >>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Cara Quinn <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ben, I couldn’t agree with you more here. >>> >>> I feel now that the more we are complacent about quietly dealing with the >>> mounting accessibility issues over the various OS roll-outs and new Apple >>> products, the worse this situation is unfortunately likely to become. >>> >>> The truth is that Apple has been doing incredible things in the access >>> world over the last several years and they really should be settling into >>> their groove now, not out of it. >>> >>> Unfortunately though, the later seems to be what is happening. >>> >>> Now I know that the accessibility team is stretched thin and has been for >>> some time now, and they are truly committed people who really do work hard >>> to make these technologies work for us, but some of these issues are QA >>> (quality assurance) issues in my opinion. Some of these obvious issues need >>> to be given higher priority than they seem to be receiving. Now I know that >>> there is a lot going on inside Apple that I am not aware of so some of what >>> I say may be well out of line here, (and I do apologize if this is the >>> case) but as a consumer and long-time advocate of Appel’s efforts, I feel I >>> do have some right to express these sentiments. >>> >>> The people on the accessibility team are awesome folks but the fact is that >>> more and more, visually impaired consumers are having to deal with what I >>> do feel is becoming somewhat second-rate access experiences with some Apple >>> products and /or OS releases. This is simply unacceptable. >>> >>> I know this is anything but intentional on the part of the access team but >>> it is still simply unacceptable and I feel this needs to be said. >>> >>> to illustrate this, when iOS 8 came out, one extremely serious issue was >>> the sticking touch tones (which would prevent people from making calls) on >>> the iPhone. Who on earth let this walk out the door? Who thought that this >>> would be okay? For God’s sake, the iPhone is first and foremost a phone >>> after all, and to have that very function released with such an >>> incapacitating bug for users of Voiceover is so far beyond crazy that I >>> honestly cannot express myself here within this list’s language guidelines. >>> >>> If you are tasked with testing a phone, what is the first thing you test? >>> Can you make a call? Can you do it again? Can you do it five more times? >>> Can you make the call on the other models of phone you produce? You get the >>> idea… >>> >>> As I have recently said on another list, Apple has the pick of the cream of >>> the crop of engineers, designers and any other professionals it requires. >>> So why is this happening? What is the excuse?… >>> >>> Honestly, there is none… >>> >>> So what do we do about it? Certainly, posting here can be cathartic but it >>> may not reach those it needs to. Yes, we can write [email protected] >>> however, those communications may not actually go directly to the engineers >>> in the accessibility department like it used to. >>> >>> I personally feel that we need to secure several options for ourselves now >>> to be assured of good access to technology. I do feel we need to stay in >>> touch with Apple in a very active sense. I also feel we need to look at all >>> technology options besides Apple products and similarly stay actively in >>> touch with their respective developers and / or companies as well. >>> >>> I personally intend to stay with Apple products for the majority of my tech >>> needs, but quite honestly, I also feel the time is now in general, in the >>> tech world where the awareness level is much better than it ever has been. >>> Discussions are happening; conferences are covering access. I see more >>> discussion now on programming forums about accessibility and interested >>> developers asking questions. etc. >>> >>> My point is that Apple has been a true trailblazer here and while I hope >>> they find it in themselves to improve what they are doing now, I feel that >>> we need to really make our voices heard in general so that accessibility >>> can really be a forefront topic of conversation for technology in general. >>> >>> This can only benefit us… >>> >>> I would welcome others’ opinions on this as well. What are your thoughts? >>> How do you feel we should address these issues? >>> >>> As I said I am by no means ditching Apple here. The truth is, I love my >>> Apple products and I love the fact that they have Voiceover. It’s just >>> that it’s a love / hate relationship sometimes now. That’s all! :) >>> >>> So what do you think? Chime in if you like… >>> >>> Thanks so much for reading and please do have a wonderful rest of your >>> weekend and happy holiday season! >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> Cara >>> --- >>> iOS design and development - LookTel.com >>> --- >>> View my Online Portfolio at: >>> >>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn >>> >>> Follow me on Twitter! >>> >>> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >>> >>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> This is correct, but this simply shouldn't be the case. As it stands, >>> given the lack of apps and the VO issues, I have to add a few caveats >>> whenever I recommend that someone buys one because in my opinion it >>> simply isn't ready for primetime yet. The TV has been shipping for >>> around a month now and I haven't noticed any updates to the OS to fix >>> any of the issues that I and others have experienced. Some will argue >>> that I should email the accessibility address, but we're talking about >>> some really obvious issues here - E.G. "poster" being spoken instead >>> of app names and Siri screens being inaccessible. These are things >>> that Apple know about and have chosen not to fix. I'm confident that >>> at some point in the future these issues will be resolved, but when? >>> Should we really be content with spending what is for most people a >>> fairly large amount of money on a device in the hope that at some >>> point in the future it will be fully accessible? >>> >>>> On 11/29/15, MamaPeach <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> The new Apple TV, with updates, will improve over time, just like anything >>>> else that is newly released, such as any new versions of IOS. It takes >>>> people letting them know what issues they encounter in order for them to >>>> consider fixing them. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Ben Mustill-Rose >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 7:49 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> It's good but still feels like a bit of a beta product. The remote has >>>> sensitivity issues - E.G. I unknowingly purchased a film when it was >>>> in my pocket and there are some annoying VO issues but nothing that is >>>> a show stopper in my opinion. >>>> Given the fairly small range of apps available at the moment it's >>>> definitely expensive for what it is, but hopefully this situation will >>>> improve in the future. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ben. >>>> >>>>> On 11/28/15, Larry Lumpkin <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hello all. I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts concerning the apple tv 4. >>>>> Do >>>>> you like it? Do you not like it? Why not? 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