I read about some of this when I did some Googling about Android accessibility,
which is why I went with an iPad Mini when I finally decided to get a tablet.
I’m very glad I did. Nothing is perfect, but I really like it.
Evan
From: John Panarese
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Actually, if you have been keeping up with the markets, Samsung has been
losing a lot of market share to both Apple, but from other Android handset
makers. In fact, in their home country, they are no longer the largest handset
company any longer. This doesn’t take into consideration the fact that Android
overall continues to fracture in its use across devices, as the fact that less
than 2 percent of all Android users are even running the latest software and
over seventy percent of Android users don’t even know what is the latest
software or if their device can even run it. In point of fact, handset makers
really don’t want their user base to be able to upgrade their devices for
lengthy periods of time which is why Android users often find their devices
outdated within three months of [purchase it as just happened to my cousin.
Add to that the additional reality that sixty percent of Android users
have some form of malware on their phones or tablets is somewhat disturbing to
me. It’s the risks you take with open source software, like it or not. It’s why
I use Android for only curiosity and my geeky interest than utilize it for any
important work.
Also, from personal experience, to say Android is accessible out of the box
is misleading. You have to take into consideration as to what device you are
using. Out of the box, this can make a major difference in your Android
experience, and in some cases, what other software you have to download.
Accessibility works far better on Google devices because there isn’t the other
bloatware that other handset manufacturers include. It’s why I went with a
Google device and not another maker’s product. Also, web accessibility in
Android is very sporadic. You do, in fact, have to be much more of a geek or a
tinkerer to really use both Android and accessibility effectively. I have two
particular friends who have really taught me a lot about Android over the last
year.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I don't think analogies to Toyota and Mercedes are relevant. Also,
comparing Apple to Google doesn't tell the whole story, since Apple is a
hardware manufacturer and Google is an OS provider. I'm also not sure where
statements like Apple wins hands down over Samsung come from.
Articles like:
* http://bgr.com/2016/05/23/smartphone-market-share-q1-2016/
* http://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/27/iphone-15-percent-market-share/
Talk about how Apple only has 15% of the smart phone market share worldwide,
trailing Samsung.
If you just look at the US then articles like:
*
https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Rankings/comScore-Reports-January-2016-US-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share
Shows that Apple has just over 40% of the market, while Samsung has just
under 30%. The original statement was that Apple had no real competition. I'd
say 43% to 28% is real competition.
On 16/06/16 13:24, Evan Reese wrote:
True enough, but all those people who can't afford an iPhone are people
who aren't using Apple's hardware and not in Apple's ecosystem. That's a
heck of a lot of people. And Apple's hardware revenue is no longer
growing. The market for high end smart phones is saturated in the
developed world. If they want to keep growing, they are going to either
have to make more affordable models, or find some other way to increase
their revenue.
I read recently that Apple is trying very hard, and so far, failing to
increase their currently tiny market share in India; at least in part by
selling refurbished iPhones to make them more affordable. They know they
can't be complacent just because they win hands down against other high
end makers such as Samsung.
Since you mention cars, many of them make various models for various
income levels. Apple does some of that, but I can't believe they don't
want to put their devices in the hands of three quarters of the world's
population who currently can't afford one. If they do want to get those
customers, they will have to make lower end models. Of course, there's
the risk then of losing their high end brand mystique. It's got to be a
tough decision.
Evan
-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
That's a bit like saying Toyota has much more market share than
Mercedes. Android may have more market share world wide because there
are a lot of low-end Android phones especially in countries like China,
India, Indonesia and other Asian, south American and African countries
where most people can't afford an iPhone or one of the high-end Android
phones like a Samsung Galaxy. The fact is that three quarters of the
world's population is in these countries and part of a socio-economic
group which could never afford a phone which costs more than $50 or $100
at the most.
However, if you look at how much money Apple makes from iPhones/iOS
compared to how much money Google makes from Android it's a very
different story. Google makes its money from advertising and Apple makes
it from their hardware and services like Apple Music and the iTunes
Store. Apple is a single manufacturer and they have a handful of phone
models, Google licenses Android to dozens of manufacturers and there are
hundreds of models of Android phones. Compare Apple with Samsung and
their high-end phones which are really the competition for the iPhone
and Apple wins hands down.
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Last I heard, which was not very long ago, according to a recent issue
of the Economist, Android has over 80 percent of the smart phone market.
So I would say that Apple is getting serious competition already.
Evan
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 8:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
I would claim that Apple is getting real competition from other smart
phone makers. I haven't checked the numbers lately, but Android in
general and Samsung in particular outsell IOS and i Phones. Even if
Apple has let over Samsung or is doing better in particular markets, I
think Apple would be crazy not to consider this serious competition.
Note, I'm not saying Android or Samsung is better than IOS or Apple, but
I just don't think it's true that they aren't real competition for the
iPhone.
On 16/06/16 01:42, Gary Petraccaro wrote:
That will change when Apple starts getting real competition from other
smartphone makers, or the blind start calling/writing the access
people and requesting features such as what you want. If that doesn't
do it, then Apple just has certain established attitudes toward their
product and feels no reason to change them. One of those, the failure
of Siri to open shazam or Google seems to me to be based on Apple's
making a competitive product and not wanting it's operating system to
give a leg up to a product not Apple's own.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:19 PM
*Subject:* RE: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Jonathan,
Well, isn’t that nice of Apple. They make such a big deal of how
they are opening up the API’s for all of these iOS features to
developers but they conveniently forget to mention that really they
don’t. As much as I like my iphone and what Apple is doing in many
areas, it is very annoying that they are so backwards in other ways.
Regards,
Sieghard
*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
*On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:34 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Hi Sieghard, sad to say, Siri won't be opening your Audible book any
time soon. For iOS 10.0, the Siri API will only work with six kinds
of application: ride booking, messaging , Photo Search, payments,
Calling, and Workouts.
So, Siri won't be able to open a book in Voice Dream, Bard, or any
other third-party book app. It won't be able to play music for you
on Spotify or Pandora. It won't be able to play the most recent
episode of a podcast using third-party podcast apps. I have no idea
why Apple is so tone deaf to how far it is lagging behind in this
space, but what they're coming out with is only going to improve the
situation slightly.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org>
On 15/06/2016, at 6:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Devin,
Yes, some of it sounds very nice, but as others have pointed
out, there isn't much that is really groundbreaking.
Collaboration in documents is something Microsoft has been
offering for years and it is high time Apple opened up their
API's to developers especially the one for SIRI. They pointed
out that SIRI has been around for 5 years now and if you really
think about it SIRI now is not a lot better than it was 5 years
ago. Yes, it's a bit faster with dictation and can pull
information from a few more sources, but why is it still not
possible to say "Call Kevin from Bigrock Sports" just to give an
example of one of my contacts where I have at least 3 or 4
Kevins in my contacts who all work for different companies. I
can't even create a contact where I just enter a company name in
the company name field and a single phone number and say, for
example, "Call Bigrock Sports". I have to also put the company
name in the last name field to do this. I should be able to say
"Show me all my contacts who work at Bigrock Sports" or I should
be able to tell SIRI to "Turn Voiceover Hints On or Off", but
all of these things SIRI can't do. Another example: I can tell
SIRI to "Remind me about my dentist appointment on Friday at 3
PM", but if I say "Remind me about my 3 PM dentist appointment
on Friday at 2 PM" it will say it will remind me and when I
check what SIRI created I see it created the reminder for 3 PM
whereas I want to be reminded at 2 PM that my appointment is at
3 PM. There is a complicated way to say it so it does what I
want, but I should be able to say it anyway I like or even in
two parts like "Remind me about my dentist appointment at 3 PM
on Friday" and when SIRI says it will I should be able to bring
it up again and say "Start reminding me once an hour starting at
11 AM and it should understand that I want a reminder at 11 AM,
Noon, 1 PM and 2 PM and maybe by its own intelligence SIRI
should remind me again 15 minutes before if it detects my iPhone
is not moving. This is true artificial intelligence, it already
exists, the iPhone has the processing power to do it and so do
Apple's servers.
I can't say how much I look forward to being finally able to say
"Play the Audible book I am currently listening to" or, if I
have not started one but have a bunch downloaded I hope I can
say "Play Night Ranger in audible" (just one example of a book
by Alex Berentson I just finished).
Another basic example of something super simple SIRI can't do.
Try and ask SIRI to "Start the Stop Watch". SIRI will tell you
"Sorry, I can't help you with the stop watch". Huh, really, it
can set a timer, an alarm, it can create calendar events and
reminders but it can't start the stop watch? Why?
Best regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: WWDC event, was it yesterday?
Sure, but little things add up to big changes. Siri gets
integrated into predictive text, so she can suggest better
options there, like I'm at (suggests input of location into the
text)" and stuff like that. Siri is open to developers, so apps
can allow Siri to use their functionality from anywhere. Apps
can do things within iMessage, like allowing sending of money
right from messages. Mac gets Siri, tabs in every multi-window
app. People can collaborate with notes. Unlock Mac with Apple
watch. Just amazing stuff!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kelly Pierce
<kellyt...@gmail.com <mailto:kellyt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If you can't stream it, download my MP3 of the event and
play it on a
stand alone device. Apple announced incremental
improvements, not
breakthrough technology. Even Facebook with its calling
feature in
the messages app, a Facetime mimmick, offered something new.
Some of
Apple's innovations will need to be experieinced to be
believed. The
photos app will now be able to recognize peple and places.
Kelly
On 6/14/16, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I was under the impression that the Apple event was
yesterday. I
cannot stream it, no bandwidth! But, if it was
yesterday, how come
the silence? Was it so unremarkable? Or do I have the
wrong week?
Thanks, Sandy.
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