To be fair, I guess we're used to what we have. Sent from my iPhone 5S
> On 22 Jun 2016, at 4:39 am, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, I still find my 4S quite usable with IOS 9. I have a iPhone 5 from my > employer, which is faster, but not so much faster that it makes my 4S > unusable. Of course, I'm not comparing it to an iPhone 6 or anything. > >> On 21/06/16 10:55, rajmund wrote: >> Hi, >> It really is slow, even considering it against a 5S. A friend wanted me >> to help. When I set it up as new, and turned on VO, at first, I thought >> it wasn't going to turn on. VO, that is. >> >> Sent from a BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" <[email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date sent: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 16:47:49 +0100 >> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ? >> >> My 4S is still going. I used it as my primary phone for more than three >> years and still use it for music, now and again, and play around with >> apps sometimes. It's quite slow now, bearing in mind I have a 6S, but >> its battery hasn't given up yet. >> >> >> Carol P >> >> >> >> On 20/06/2016 15:54, rajmund wrote: >> Hi, >> I heard roomers that it can be done with the 4S, but not with later >> model. >> >> Sent from a BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected] >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected] >> Date sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 13:47:42 +0000 >> Subject: RE: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ? >> >> I think it's more the experience Apple wants users to have. Yes, they >> could probably disable features the 4S may have problems with like, >> for example, the face and object recognition on pictures. They said >> that iOS does 11 Billion computations on a single picture and it is >> all done on device so it's not that powerful servers in the cloud do >> the work and just provide the results back to the device. But I guess >> if many of the new and advanced features of iOS 10 would be disabled >> on a 4S there may just not be that much reason to support it. >> Considering that the 4S is now 5 years old, I also assume that as a >> percentage of iPhones out there not that many of them are 4S phones >> any more. Anyhow, I guess Apple has to draw the line somewhere, if >> they support the 4S others may say then why not support the 4. I >> actually think it's amazing they have supported the 4S for this long, >> the 4S came with iOS 5 so it was able to run 4 more versions of iOS >> after the one it came out with, show me another mobile phone that had >> this kind of support. Anyhow, iOS 9 is pretty good and people who >> still have a 4S that runs good can still run it with iOS 9 for years >> to come I assume although they may have to replace the battery since I >> doubt that a 4S that was bought in 2011 still holds a charge for that >> long. I have a friend who bought a 3GS in 2009 and he used it until >> he bought a 5S in 2013, so for 4 years, and while he of course wanted >> the newer faster phone, he also said that he only got a few hours of >> use out of the phone at that point. A friend in Germany said her son >> just bought a fairly inexpensive battery kit which came with the >> special screwdriver which iks required to open the iPhone and >> instructions and he would able to replace the battery on his iPhone >> (can't remember the model) himself, but I would say most people can't >> or would not do this. >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain >> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:30 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ? >> >> I'm not sure who does do artificial deprecation of hardware, but I am >> a bit disappointed that my 4S may no longer be supported. I'm not >> sure if there's something in the 4S that Apple no longer wants to code >> support for or if it's because they don't want users to get a less >> than great experience on an Apple device. It may also be that they >> want to save some money by not taking any support questions on the 4S >> or by doing any regression testing on it. I'd be willing to try IOS >> 10 on it to see how it performced if Apple would let me though. I'd >> do this even if Apple told me it hadn't been tested and wouldn't be >> supported and I was on my own giving it a try. >> >> Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I had the run I did on my 4S, but I >> compare this to my netbook from 2009 that still running the latest >> Linux or my laptop from 2011 that's also running the latest Linux but >> also able to run Windows 10. >> >> On 19/06/16 18:04, Devin Prater wrote: >> Yep, and I think that shows that Apple doesn't do artificial >> deprecation of hardware. >> Sent from my Mac. >> >> Devin Prater >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >> >> >> >> On Jun 17, 2016, at 1:37 PM, christopher hallsworth >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> My prediction, iOS 11 will work on the 5s and up. iOS 12, 6 and up, >> etc etc. But Apple did surprise us last year when they announced all >> devices running iOS 8 could run iOS 9. So what I put here is only >> speculation. >> On 17 Jun 2016, at 02:43, Gerardo Corripio <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> At least maybe until iOS11 probably by September of 2018 when iOS12 >> comes out maybe it won't be supported anymore? >> >> El 16/06/2016 03:28 p.m., Donna escribió: >> Chris >> >> Do you know how much longer the iPhone 5s will be supported? I'm >> considering getting my soon to be teenager an iPhone 5s for >> Christmas. I don't want to purchase her a phone that will only be >> supported for a short time. >> >> Donna >> Final update? For the iPhone 5? All we know is that the iPhone 4s >> is due for its "final update" very soon, 9.3.3, before it will be >> considered "obsolete". Can't believe it has survived this far. >> iPhone 5, however, will have at least one more year of software >> support since iOS 10 will run on it and will be the oldest iPhone >> to support this upcoming major release. >> On 16 Jun 2016, at 19:54, Michael McKay<[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi folks: I am wondering if anyone knows when the final iOS >> update is out for the iPhone 5. I have been told that there is >> one more major update coming out for the iPhone 5 and then there >> would be no more, and then I would upgrade my phone to an iPhone >> 6 Plus, 6S plus or seven. If someone could get back to me and let >> me know about the iPhone 5 final update it would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks much! >> Michael G. McKay BA, '05. >> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 16, 2016, at 15:32, Krister >> Ekstrom<[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Confirmed here too. Tried the link and got a "delivery failed" >> notice here too. >> /Krister >> >> 16 juni 2016 kl. 19:37 skrev Michael G >> McKay<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>: >> >> Hi! Mr. Mosen: >> >> I just tried to subscribe to the email group you mentioned. And >> it returned saying that the delivery failed permanently. I used >> the subscribe link you provided for the list. >> >> Assistance would be very much appreciated. >> >> Thanks much in advance. >> >> Michael G. McKay BA, '05. >> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >> >> From: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen >> Sent: June 16, 2016 1:44 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >> Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ? >> >> Hi Guys, for three or four years, I've been running an email >> list for registered developers and, as of last year, public >> beta testers of iOS. >> It's very focussed and has a lot of experienced testers, but if >> you think you can contribute, you can send a blank email to: >> [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected] >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org >> >> On 17/06/2016, at 12:28 AM, Liel Ben Simon ???? ?? >> ?????<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi! The beta of the developers is different from publick beta. >> Only in the publick beta there is a feedbeck app. >> >> Sent from my iphone >> >> ??-16 ????? 2016, ???? 15:20, ??Shawn Krasniuk >> ?<[email protected]> ???/?: >> >> Well, I think for your case, they'd make an exception. You >> know Matt Dierckens right? Maybe shoot him an email asking if >> developer testers are discluded from that list. If you don't, >> email me off list and I'll gladly send you his email address. >> >> Shawn >> Sent From My White MacBook >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: >> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >> Facetime: [email protected] >> >> On Jun 16, 2016, at 3:36 AM, Krister >> Ekstrom<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hmm interesting, this means i will be excluded from the beta >> testers list if i get that question because i'm a registered >> developer and use developer betas and have never had the >> feedback assistant. >> /Krister >> >> 16 juni 2016 kl. 04:48 skrev Shawn >> Krasniuk<[email protected]>: >> >> Hi Chris. I gotta interject with you here. Being that I'm >> one of the members of the beta list, it's not breaking NDA >> at all. Only beta testers can subscribe to that list. The >> moderators ask questions like where your Feedback Assistant >> app is and if you don't have one, they'll automatically >> reject your request to join. Just thought I'd clear that up >> and yes, iOS 10 was available for developers as a beta >> after the WWDC keynote. >> >> Shawn >> Sent From My White MacBook >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: >> shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >> Facetime: [email protected] >> >> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Christopher >> Chaltain<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> That's true, but people are perfectly free to discuss >> whatever Apple has announced, which would include any new >> accessibility features that were announced during the >> developers summit. I'm not sure there's an IOS 10 beta >> yet, so no one could talk about what they're seeing in the >> beta anyway. >> >> BTW, talking about Apple's beta software, even on a beta >> list, is still violating Apple's NDA with beta users. >> >> On 15/06/16 07:12, Daniel Miller wrote: >> >> Hi. Unfortunately, no one is allowed to post anything >> about purelease software on this list. 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