Yep i know where the lens is and could have placed it wrongly. Still get weird results. The lighting where i normally sit is good or so i've been told. Another question is how can i tell if lighting is good?
Skickat från min iPhone > 3 juli 2016 kl. 13:09 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>: > > Do you mean per session or for all the time i have had the app? If the later, > i think i've tried for well over a year and dosens of times per session and > still having the same results and since about everyone else seems to manage > extremely well almost from day one, it leads me to believe as i say that it's > me who's stupid and not the app that is. As i say, i am still looking for a > miracle, something tthat will make my stupid old brain click but as things > stand now i must admit i've more or less given up. > /Krister > > > Skickat från min iPhone > >> 3 juli 2016 kl. 12:50 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>: >> >> Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of >> measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people >> but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. >> I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update >> where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no >> longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing >> with me so that's where it stands. >> /Krister >> >> Skickat från min iPhone >> >>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>: >>> >>> Hi Krister, >>> >>> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across >>> this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was >>> simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list >>> regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain >>> what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and >>> certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the German >>> Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class >>> had such poor O&M skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 >>> meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O&M >>> training but simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it >>> is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, >>> balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect >>> sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive >>> gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an >>> issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a >>> fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer >>> than it did 20 years ago *smile*. >>> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it >>> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do >>> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Krister Ekstrom >>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: KNFB reader >>> >>> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't >>> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my >>> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not >>> say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the >>> least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to >>> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the >>> flaming i'll get. >>> /Krister >>> >>> >>> Skickat från min iPhone >>> >>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>: >>>> >>>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper? >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>> >>>> Skickat från min iPhone >>>> >>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <ann...@sbcglobal.net>: >>>>> >>>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, >>>>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture. >>>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote: >>>>>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it >>>>>> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit. >>>>>> Thanks for the info >>>>>> /Krister >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Krista, >>>>>>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't >>>>>>> the same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to >>>>>>> try again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of >>>>>>> getting good results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to >>>>>>> say that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on >>>>>>> this subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using >>>>>>> the camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not >>>>>>> agree that it is impossible for people who don't see it all because >>>>>>> many of us do you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips >>>>>>> and tricks with you. but, from personal experience, having someone with >>>>>>> you who can see what you are doing is a very good way to get started. >>>>>>> also, when I first started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad >>>>>>> before it worked for me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just >>>>>>> worked out of the box in my case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> feel free to ask for ideas, >>>>>>> Sandy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom >>>>>>>> <<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv >>>>>>>> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the >>>>>>>> hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I >>>>>>>> have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten >>>>>>>> any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. >>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>>>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Gordon, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she >>>>>>>>> and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using >>>>>>>>> the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did >>>>>>>>> get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good >>>>>>>>> over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or >>>>>>>>> rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its >>>>>>>>> hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to >>>>>>>>> then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I >>>>>>>>> would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of >>>>>>>>> the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on >>>>>>>>> the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I >>>>>>>>> swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly >>>>>>>>> liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the >>>>>>>>> targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but >>>>>>>>> now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even >>>>>>>>> light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for >>>>>>>>> taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a >>>>>>>>> sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special >>>>>>>>> effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of >>>>>>>>> myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one >>>>>>>>> to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him >>>>>>>>> mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get >>>>>>>>> results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting >>>>>>>>> on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is >>>>>>>>> faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more >>>>>>>>> accurate!!) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen >>>>>>>>> before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the >>>>>>>>> camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, >>>>>>>>> have achieved equal results, having never seen! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I >>>>>>>>> could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be >>>>>>>>> necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks >>>>>>>>> a methods which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too >>>>>>>>> much spacial awareness. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my twopence worth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sandy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson >>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>annefromo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have >>>>>>>>>> had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with >>>>>>>>>> KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the >>>>>>>>>> difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was >>>>>>>>>> able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen >>>>>>>>>> nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This >>>>>>>>>> helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić >>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>razbij...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>>>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind >>>>>>>>>>> people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a >>>>>>>>>>> ferrytale to me. >>>>>>>>>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and >>>>>>>>>>> Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. >>>>>>>>>>> Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial >>>>>>>>>>> results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and >>>>>>>>>>> now has in-app purchases for translations. >>>>>>>>>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else >>>>>>>>>>> there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble >>>>>>>>>>> opinion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> S poštovanjem >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com>Gordan Radić >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nemoviz.org/><nemoviz_animated.gif> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org><email.png> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz><facebook.p ng> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014><twitter.png> >>>>>>>>>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>>>>>>>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed >>>>>>>>>>>> page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, >>>>>>>>>>>> generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make >>>>>>>>>>>> sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document >>>>>>>>>>>> correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed >>>>>>>>>>>> on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side >>>>>>>>>>>> with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB >>>>>>>>>>>> performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of >>>>>>>>>>>> garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, >>>>>>>>>>>> but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning >>>>>>>>>>>> the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any >>>>>>>>>>>> question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. >>>>>>>>>>>> For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>> enough job so at least you’ll know what document you’re >>>>>>>>>>>> holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s >>>>>>>>>>>> a free, ad-supported version. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store >>>>>>>>>>>> and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I >>>>>>>>>>>> wasn’t offered a refund. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grant >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe >>>>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>jsoro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment >>>>>>>>>>>>> though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot >>>>>>>>>>>>> and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. 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