Hi Mary, 3 of your iPads, my iPad air, a friend's mini 2, the same friend's air, someone's pro on list, and I could go on and on. I also reported it once or twice, but after seeing it still present in the 10.1 beta cycle, I reverted it. Unfortunately, you can't, now. So, I'm waiting for the day (I doubt that it will come) when the email app is usable, and I can upgrade.
Sent from a Braille Sense ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Otten <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 4:02 pm Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 > > > Hi John, > In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an email > and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the message is red. In > iOS 10, including with the beta before the final release, the result for the > iPhone is the same. The result for the iPad is as described in the email > thatRajmund sent. This is clear and simply a regression, and Apple should fix > it as a bug, not market down as a feature request. I too reported on this > regression during the beta cycle and after the first public release to know > avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, my own mini two, a > friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend and my husband are not > regular voiceover users, but turning on voiceover and doing the steps as > outlined results in the behavior described. This should be easy to duplicate, > and they need to fix it. I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore > because of this. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of > > VoiceOver with the two finger swipe gesture? > > > > > > Take Care > > > > John D. Panarese > > Director > > Mac for the Blind > > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > > Email, [email protected] > > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION > > > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > > > >> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. > >> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, > >> everyone, write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this > >> reminds me of when trying to write humanware tech support, they were just > >> as bad. And these make it out so that you don't reply. They used to be > >> better, I'm sure. Anyway, here it comes. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from an iPad Air > >> > >> Begin forwarded message: > >> > >>> From: Apple Accessibility <[email protected]> > >>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email > >>> (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior.. > >>> We appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group > >>> as a feature request. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> Apple Accessibility > >>> > >>>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, [email protected] wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, > >>>> (it works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, > >>>> email is reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day > >>>> downgrading, so that I only have to put up with the bug, where voiceover > >>>> dies miserably after sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be > >>>> lost since December of this year, and my entire facetime history. > >>>> Needless to say, not pleased at all. I have also sent a couple of bug > >>>> reports during the beta cycle, but it never got rectified. Having said > >>>> that, here are some, what I hope easy enough steps to reproduce, and fix > >>>> at last, so that I don't akeep having to reject the update. > >>>> 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that whoever > >>>> reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say that it doesn't > >>>> work in the beta. > >>>> 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually something to > >>>> read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio demonstration). > >>>> 3) Turn on voice over. > >>>> 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) Flick up or > >>>> down with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, they both are just as > >>>> big of a failure. > >>>> 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger flick up.. > >>>> If down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in other words, > >>>> everything but the actual text of the message. On the phone, or IOS9, > >>>> the iPad was smart enough to filter what is needed to be read. > >>>> Unfortunately, it seems we're going backwards, not forward. So if you > >>>> try an iPad, on anything but a version of IOS10, or any iPhone, any > >>>> version, if flicking down, it will read from the cursor to the end. So > >>>> if the message had 20 words, and the cursor was on the 5th, it would > >>>> read the remaining 15 words. If you flicked up with 2 fingers, it read > >>>> all 20 words. In other words, it only read the text of the message, not > >>>> the controls. And I know that this is not a design, as the phone would > >>>> also be doing it in that case, and since it doesn't, that leaves me to > >>>> believe that this is a bug. Please let me know if you need any > >>>> additional details. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from a Braille Sense > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > >> list. > >> > >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >> > >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > >> you can reach Cara at [email protected] > >> > >> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "VIPhone" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >> email to [email protected]. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > > or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "VIPhone" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > Hi John, > In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an email > and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the message is red. In > iOS 10, including with the beta before the final release, the result for the > iPhone is the same. The result for the iPad is as described in the email > thatRajmund sent. This is clear and simply a regression, and Apple should fix > it as a bug, not market down as a feature request. I too reported on this > regression during the beta cycle and after the first public release to know > avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, my own mini two, a > friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend and my husband are not > regular voiceover users, but turning on voiceover and doing the steps as > outlined results in the behavior described. This should be easy to duplicate, > and they need to fix it. I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore > because of this. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of VoiceOver > with the two finger swipe gesture? > > > > Take Care > > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, [email protected] > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION > > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, > First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. Third, > just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, everyone, write > them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this reminds me of when > trying to write humanware tech support, they were just as bad. And these make > it out so that you don't reply. They used to be better, I'm sure. Anyway, > here it comes. > > > > > > > > > Sent from an iPad Air > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Apple Accessibility <[email protected]> > Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email > (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 > > > Hello, > > > Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. We > appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group as a > feature request. > > > Sincerely, > > > Apple Accessibility > > > On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, [email protected] wrote: > > > Hi, > Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, (it > works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, email is > reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day downgrading, so > that I only have to put up with the bug, where voiceover dies miserably after > sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be lost since December of > this year, and my entire facetime history. Needless to say, not pleased at > all. I have also sent a couple of bug reports during the beta cycle, but it > never got rectified. Having said that, here are some, what I hope easy enough > steps to reproduce, and fix at last, so that I don't akeep having to reject > the update. > 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that whoever > reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say that it doesn't work > in the beta. > 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually something to > read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio demonstration). > 3) Turn on voice over. > 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) Flick up or down > with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, they both are just as big of a > failure. > 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger flick up. If > down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in other words, everything but > the actual text of the message. On the phone, or IOS9, the iPad was smart > enough to filter what is needed to be read. Unfortunately, it seems we're > going backwards, not forward. So if you try an iPad, on anything but a > version of IOS10, or any iPhone, any version, if flicking down, it will read > from the cursor to the end. So if the message had 20 words, and the cursor > was on the 5th, it would read the remaining 15 words. If you flicked up with > 2 fingers, it read all 20 words. In other words, it only read the text of the > message, not the controls. And I know that this is not a design, as the > phone would also be doing it in that case, and since it doesn't, that leaves > me to believe that this is a bug. Please let me know if you need any > additional details. > > Sent from a Braille Sense > > > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. 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