Hi John, Please do try it, as we say, IOS10 broke the expected feature.
Sent from a Braille Sense ----- Original Message ----- From: John Panarese <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 5:08 pm Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 > > > Yes, my point is they are saying, feature request, but it's expected behavior > to have the message read. I will have to try it on my iPad when I am back in > the office. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, [email protected] > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an email > > and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the message is red.. > > In iOS 10, including with the beta before the final release, the result for > > the iPhone is the same. The result for the iPad is as described in the > > email thatRajmund sent. This is clear and simply a regression, and Apple > > should fix it as a bug, not market down as a feature request. I too > > reported on this regression during the beta cycle and after the first > > public release to know avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, > > my own mini two, a friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend > > and my husband are not regular voiceover users, but turning on voiceover > > and doing the steps as outlined results in the behavior described. This > > should be easy to duplicate, and they need to fix it. I basically don't use > > my iPad for mail anymore because of this. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of > >> VoiceOver with the two finger swipe gesture? > >> > >> > >> Take Care > >> > >> John D. Panarese > >> Director > >> Mac for the Blind > >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 > >> Email, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> > >> > >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION > >> > >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > >> > >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. > >>> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, > >>> everyone, write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this > >>> reminds me of when trying to write humanware tech support, they were just > >>> as bad. And these make it out so that you don't reply. They used to be > >>> better, I'm sure. Anyway, here it comes. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from an iPad Air > >>> > >>> Begin forwarded message: > >>> > >>>> From: Apple Accessibility <[email protected] > >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT > >>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading > >>>> email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 > >>>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. > >>>> We appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group > >>>> as a feature request. > >>>> > >>>> Sincerely, > >>>> > >>>> Apple Accessibility > >>>> > >>>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, [email protected] > >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, > >>>>> (it works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, > >>>>> email is reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day > >>>>> downgrading, so that I only have to put up with the bug, where > >>>>> voiceover dies miserably after sending an email. This has cost my > >>>>> iMessages to be lost since December of this year, and my entire > >>>>> facetime history. Needless to say, not pleased at all. I have also sent > >>>>> a couple of bug reports during the beta cycle, but it never got > >>>>> rectified. Having said that, here are some, what I hope easy enough > >>>>> steps to reproduce, and fix at last, so that I don't akeep having to > >>>>> reject the update. > >>>>> 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that whoever > >>>>> reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say that it doesn't > >>>>> work in the beta. > >>>>> 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually something > >>>>> to read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio demonstration). > >>>>> 3) Turn on voice over. > >>>>> 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) Flick up or > >>>>> down with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, they both are just as > >>>>> big of a failure. > >>>>> 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger flick up. > >>>>> If down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in other words, > >>>>> everything but the actual text of the message. On the phone, or IOS9, > >>>>> the iPad was smart enough to filter what is needed to be read. > >>>>> Unfortunately, it seems we're going backwards, not forward. So if you > >>>>> try an iPad, on anything but a version of IOS10, or any iPhone, any > >>>>> version, if flicking down, it will read from the cursor to the end. So > >>>>> if the message had 20 words, and the cursor was on the 5th, it would > >>>>> read the remaining 15 words. If you flicked up with 2 fingers, it read > >>>>> all 20 words. In other words, it only read the text of the message, not > >>>>> the controls. And I know that this is not a design, as the phone would > >>>>> also be doing it in that case, and since it doesn't, that leaves me to > >>>>> believe that this is a bug. 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I will have to try it on my iPad when I am > back in the office. > > > > Take Care > > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, [email protected] > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION > > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi John, > In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an email > and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the message is red. In > iOS 10, including with the beta before the final release, the result for the > iPhone is the same. The result for the iPad is as described in the email > thatRajmund sent. This is clear and simply a regression, and Apple should fix > it as a bug, not market down as a feature request. I too reported on this > regression during the beta cycle and after the first public release to know > avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, my own mini two, a > friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend and my husband are not > regular voiceover users, but turning on voiceover and doing the steps as > outlined results in the behavior described. This should be easy to duplicate, > and they need to fix it. I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore > because of this. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of VoiceOver > with the two finger swipe gesture? > > > > Take Care > > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, [email protected] > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION > > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, > First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. Third, > just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, everyone, write > them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this reminds me of when > trying to write humanware tech support, they were just as bad. And these make > it out so that you don't reply. They used to be better, I'm sure. Anyway, > here it comes. > > > > > > > > > Sent from an iPad Air > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Apple Accessibility <[email protected]> > Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email > (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328 > > > Hello, > > > Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. We > appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group as a > feature request. > > > Sincerely, > > > Apple Accessibility > > > On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, [email protected] wrote: > > > Hi, > Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, (it > works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, email is > reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day downgrading, so > that I only have to put up with the bug, where voiceover dies miserably after > sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be lost since December of > this year, and my entire facetime history. Needless to say, not pleased at > all. I have also sent a couple of bug reports during the beta cycle, but it > never got rectified. Having said that, here are some, what I hope easy enough > steps to reproduce, and fix at last, so that I don't akeep having to reject > the update. > 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that whoever > reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say that it doesn't work > in the beta. > 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually something to > read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio demonstration). > 3) Turn on voice over. > 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) Flick up or down > with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, they both are just as big of a > failure. > 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger flick up. If > down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in other words, everything but > the actual text of the message. On the phone, or IOS9, the iPad was smart > enough to filter what is needed to be read. Unfortunately, it seems we're > going backwards, not forward. So if you try an iPad, on anything but a > version of IOS10, or any iPhone, any version, if flicking down, it will read > from the cursor to the end. So if the message had 20 words, and the cursor > was on the 5th, it would read the remaining 15 words. If you flicked up with > 2 fingers, it read all 20 words. In other words, it only read the text of the > message, not the controls. And I know that this is not a design, as the > phone would also be doing it in that case, and since it doesn't, that leaves > me to believe that this is a bug. Please let me know if you need any > additional details. > > Sent from a Braille Sense > > > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. 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