Hi Alan, If Apple goes the way of wireless charging they may charge a premium for the first year if they add it only to a high-end iPhone. However, once it comes to all the phones the price should be the same just as over time the higher capacity phones always cost the same as a few years before those who had half the amount of storage space.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Wireless Charging, Anyone? It's a Chicken-and-egg Problem That Can Only Be Solved By a Fruit I have a Samsung S7, and although I wouldn't buy a phone just for the wireless charging feature, I do find it convenient. I also assume the S7 runs about the same as your latest iPhones. On 27/02/17 00:01, Alan Lemly wrote: > Hi Sieghard, > > Actually, I have an iPhone 7 and also the Belkin adapter that lets me listen > with my wired earpods and charge at the same time. I have found that I don't > do this quite as often as I used to but keeping up with the adapter and using > it as needed isn't a problem for me. And I'd be willing to bet that you'll be > paying considerably more than $40 in device cost to cover the wireless > charging when it's added. But that rumored phone is also supposed to be about > 5.8 inches in size with no home button so I'm pretty sure I won't be getting > it. > > Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:28 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Wireless Charging, Anyone? It's a Chicken-and-egg Problem > That Can Only Be Solved By a Fruit > > Hi Alan, > > You forget that the iPhone 7/7 Plus and most likely all iPhones going forward > don't have a 3.5mm headphone jack. This means that if you want to use a wired > headset you need to use the Lightning port hence you can't charge while using > a headset or vice versa. Yes, I know you can spend $40 and buy this splitter > gadget from Belkin, but who wants to do that and have another piece of cable > to bring along or more clutter. > > Unfortunately there are already rumours which indicate that Apple may release > a new high-end model this year with a 5.8 inch OLED screen and that this year > only this huge super phone will get the wireless charging. I really hope this > is not so, if it is I think I'll stick with my 6S Plus for another year > because if wireless charging comes only to a high-end and high-priced iPhone > this year it will certainly come to the other phones next year. I would > totally go back to a 4.7 inch phone if battery life was better or if the > phone was constantly being charged wirelessly when I'm at home or at my > office. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Alan Lemly > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 6:43 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Wireless Charging, Anyone? It's a Chicken-and-egg Problem > That Can Only Be Solved By a Fruit > > Mark, > > Thanks for the info. I guess I'm more old school because finding access to an > outlet or USB port to charge my iPhone really doesn't seem to be that big of > a deal. And if I'm on the move, carrying a small external battery power > source isn't much of a hassle either. But I've no doubt that wireless > charging is inevitable and I hope after reading the below history and its > complexities that the eventual convenience of wireless charging is worth its > cost. > > Alan Lemly > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of M. Taylor > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:43 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Wireless Charging, Anyone? It's a Chicken-and-egg Problem > That Can Only Be Solved By a Fruit > > Hello Everyone, > > Here is the text from a very interesting cNet article that I thought you may > find interesting. > > The URL to the original article is located as the end of the piece. > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > A World Free of Charging Cables? It's All Up To Apple By Roger > Cheng/CNET > > The Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge features wireless charging, and successor the S8 > will likely have the same capability. > > The pitch has always been a simple one: Place your phone down and watch it > charge automatically, without the fuss of finding an outlet or connecting a > power cord. > > The reality of wireless charging, however, has been anything but. > > Differing technologies and incompatible standards have hindered broader > adoption of wireless charging. It was good enough to work in Oral-B electric > toothbrushes in the early '90s, yet most phones still lack the ability to > charge without a power cord. > > But 2017 appears to be the year wireless charging gets its act together. > You're starting to see an accelerating trickle of products incorporating the > feature, from a Dell laptop unveiled at CES to automakers looking for a way > to more easily power their electric vehicles. The most obvious spark could > come from Apple, which appears ready to get off the sidelines and commit to > the feature in a big way by joining the Wireless Power Consortium. The rumors > of the iPhone 8 getting wireless charging alone are enough to get people > thinking about the feature. > > "Whoever Apple picks wins," said Avi Greengart, an analyst at research firm > Global Data. "That's the catalyst that would drive enough volume." > > Apple declined to comment on how the WPC will impact the next iPhone. > > "Apple is an active member of many standards development organizations, as > both a leader and contributor," the company said. "Apple is joining the > Wireless Power Consortium to be able to participate and contribute ideas to > the open, collaborative development of future wireless charging standards." > > An embrace of wireless charging by the iPhone maker could mean a resurgence > of interest in the feature. Last year, "things lost steam a bit," according > to IHS analyst David Green. Yes, the number of wireless charging devices grew > 40 percent year over year in 2016, but that was largely because Samsung > incorporated the feature into its Galaxy S7 and Note 7 phones. > > And just because wireless charging is in a phone doesn't mean consumers are > taking advantage of it -- or even aware of the capability. > > The market is expected to nearly double to 375 million devices in 2017, and > Green said he expects at least one more player to publicly embrace wireless > charging at the Mobile World Congress trade show next week. > > Obvious benefits > > Phone makers for years have touted wireless charging as a key feature. Nokia > famously championed it with its flagship Lumia phones, and Google and LG > incorporated it into the Nexus 4 phone. > > Those companies used a technology called inductive charging -- the same as > that electric toothbrush -- which requires you to place the device on a > charging pad in a specific position. > > Newer forms of wireless charging open the door to different applications. > Magnetic resonance gives you a bit more freedom, so you don't have to lay > your phone down at an exact spot. It can charge multiple devices with > different power needs. It can also charge across a few inches and through > objects, so you can mount a charging pad under a table rather than have a > specific built-in inductive charger in your furniture (which Ikea actually > offers). > > That ability to charge over a short distance is an opportunity for automakers > and their electric cars. Alex Gruzen, CEO of WiTricity, which builds chips to > power magnetic resonance technology, said he's planning for car launches in > 2020 that will take advantage of the technology. He sees phones capable of > using magnetic resonance coming next year. > > "Wireless charging is part of everyone's future roadmap," Gruzen said. > > Meanwhile, companies like Energous are exploring sending power over radio > frequency airwaves, similar to how online connectivity gets broadcast over > Wi-Fi. In fact, Energous plans to integrate its power broadcasting > capabilities into Wi-Fi routers next year. > > Beyond phones, that kind of capability would be ideal for low-power sensors > like smoke detectors or even smaller devices like hearing aids. > > While the idea of charging something 15 feet away sounds great, there are > questions about how quickly you can charge over the air. Energous also needs > to get approval from the Federal Communications Commission to ensure its > system is safe. > > "We are quite comfortable that we have developed tech that conforms to their > guidelines," said Energous CEO Steve Rizzone. > > How did we get into this mess? > > Here's where things get confusing. > > Despite the range of technologies, the standards battles have largely been > fought around two incompatible versions of inductive charging. > > On one side is Qi, championed by the Wireless Power Consortium. It boasts, by > far, the most wireless charging products. > > On the other side is a form of inductive charging pushed by Powermat > and the AirFuel Alliance, an amalgamation of two former groups that > now also embraces magnetic resonance and radio frequency charging. (I > told you this was confusing.) > > Powermat has invested in building a network of charging stations in retail > locations like Starbucks and McDonald's, but has fewer phones in the market > using its technology. > > Samsung actually had a chance to provide some clarity, but opted to play nice > and incorporate both versions into its Galaxy S phones. That just led to more > confusion, with both standards crowing about being in the high-profile > devices. > > "By not picking the winner, it almost prolongs the pain," Greengart said. > > Talking to the two sides is like talking to a Golden State Warriors fan and a > Cleveland Cavaliers fan: You're going to get two distinct realities. > > "They're not there," WPC Chairman Menno Treffers said of the competition. > "There's not much of a battle anymore." > > "The adoption is so small now, there's no one to say what the standard is > going to look like," said Ron Resnick, chairman of the AirFuel Alliance. > > You can see why we're still in a logjam. > > Where Apple comes in > > Apple could provide some clarity. Earlier this month, it confirmed it had > joined the WPC, sparking speculation that the purported iPhone 8 would > include wireless charging. > > It isn't just joining for show. Treffers said that Apple is expected to make > a technical contribution to Qi and that company representatives were in > London last week making a presentation, part of a broader gathering of > members. > > WPC membership doesn't guarantee that the iPhone uses Qi. Note that the Apple > Watch uses a form of inductive charging too. > > But if Apple commits to Qi, Powermat CEO Elad Dubzinski said his network of > charging stations could support the standard with a mix of hardware and > software tweaks. He said he was more concerned with managing the network of > services that would flow on top of wireless charging, say, at a Starbucks. > > There's also the persistent chatter that Apple is exploring wireless charging > over several feet, which is where Energous could come into play. > Rizzone has hinted at a "key strategic partner," which many have taken to > mean Apple. > > Energous has given this partner a one-year exclusivity deal for a specific > product category. Given Apple's eagerness to lock up new features for itself, > the deal might signal that future iPhones could embrace radio frequency > charging. > > And that ultimately could be the answer, with companies incorporating > inductive or magnetic resonance for faster charging over shorter distances, > and radio frequency to help keep your battery topped off. > > No matter how things shake out, it may take Apple to light the way. > > "It's a chicken-and-egg problem that can only be solved by a fruit," > Greengart said. > > Original Article at: > https://www.cnet.com/news/wireless-charging-apple-iphone-8-samsung-wpc > -qi-po > wermat/?ftag=CAD1c318f6&bhid=22694667381686839172315209628767 > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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