Joe, Ane the counter to what you say is simply this. WHile others supposedly leap ahead with some of these apparent advancements, Apple will remain reliable and consistent. I believe it is less important to put in features such as facial recognition and other such gimmicks if the underlying OS is not secure and robust. I think part of Apple's draw is the fact changes are made with care and to maintain some level of consistency. People despite their desire for the newest "wiz bang" features like consistency. If someone came along and radically changed the interface of your device, you may not really appreciate shaving to remember where everything is. Although just an example, I am sure you can understand the point. 1. Your first comment was regarding facial recognition as a security feature. Well to be honest who really cares. If you consider why people steal mobile devices I can tell you that it is rarely for the information contained on the device. Most thefts occur so the thief can make a few bucks. THe only real security is if the device self-destructs in the thief's hand. :) 2. Social integration is most likely going to be based on the most popular services which for now is Facebook and Twitter. There are lots of services out there of course, but most are not nearly used to the degree of these two services. 3. With regard to maps offline viewing might be nice, but if you consider that Apple would have to either: (1) allow users to only download the maps they want/need or (2) install all maps by default. There is a problem either way. The first option means people have to make some effort to pull the maps they want/need and that will not go over well with most users I suspect because they have come to accept that "it just works" and that is the expectation. THe second problem is obviously preloading the device with all the maps of the areas where the devices will be sold or just all the maps in general would consume a fair bit of space and that would not be acceptable to users. Is there a solution? Probably and maybe that would be in a future version. 4. Keyboards, well I don't see any problem with the default keyboard. Maybe it is not perfect, but I am sure something along the lines of Flexy might be a nice addition. So,there may be better options or ways to implement and unless folks in general complain I do not expect APple will change anything here. So, most folks must not have a problem with the default keyboard. 5. I am sure Siri will be improved, but nor do I expect Siri to be perfect. Because Siri is not localized to the device there is going to be some lag in getting a response, but that is the nature of the beast. If I recall correctly, Android does the processing locally which would make a difference. Of course all this depends on how heavily you use Siri. Because I'm not a heavy user of Siri I am not overly concerned.
I really do not get the point of all this chatter about the micro USB connection. Apple does not have to use any standard connection and to be honest I think their sales numbers prove that most people do not care either. A lot of the points you made really appeal to a smaller subset of the overall population of mobile users in my opinion. I believe the average user wants something that works and is consistent. The problem with Android as I see it is the fact that there is less consistency, carriers do not provide a simple upgrade path if one at all, and most of the manufactures are basing their "wow!" factor on things that the average user is not really interested in. If you are a tinkerer you probably won't find the stock iOS for you and you will be jailbreaking or using something else. For me I had all my hacking fun in my youth and now I'm much more interested in being productive and not having to tweak things to work. If iOS no longer meets my needs I would look for something else, but since it has and I expect it will continue to meet my needs, no point looking elsewhere. Of course these are my opinions and like you I am able to express them as well. On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Joe <[email protected]> wrote: > James, > > Man, this is what happens when I get behind on a crowded list. To be fair > though, you bring up a good point, and here is one of my last posts on the > subject before letting the horse rest. > > 1. Security: I think Apple could have beefed up iOS 6 for facial recognition > or something in the same neighborhood similar to other platforms. Apple > could do it if it wanted. > > 2. Social Networking Integration: Facebook and Twitter great, however, not > the only boys in town. Everyone will have their preference, but social net > is still better integrated on opposing platforms. > > 3. Maps: Not a bad first attempt. No serious complaints there, but if you're > going to roll it out, do it Apple grandeur style. No off-line view is > disappointing, and turn-by-turn better on alternative platforms. > > 4. Keyboards: Please oh please let me pick my own style of keyboard on iOS. > Or, am I missing something? I'd like to make the change that affects my > experience across the board and not just in isolated apps. > > 5. Voice Recognition: Here here for more Siri comprehension, but let's hope > that Siri in its final iteration competes with voice recognition on other > platforms. I would almost want Siri to only understand ten commands if it > did so promptly and consistently. I hate the clicking, and the faster > processors leave little room to continue using the beta argument. > > As for speedy developments within short time spans, iOS has not changed > significantly since it launched. Visually, it's still the same dated > interface. So, that argument may have worked a couple years ago, but Apple > is sticking to the same slow pace. Other companies are showing that the > fundamentals can stay in place while jumping into new innovations. Other > manufacturers are stretching the limits on what can be done hardware-wise, > not the least of which is the use of more common ports. Less pens is great. > The more common USB connection would have been even better. > > So, there you are. The list is not exhaustive, and it may not fire up other > people's cylinders. It does to me, however, and with accessibility slowly > smoothing out across the board, I'm just saying blind people are going to > have a tougher time defending Apple for their slow but steady wins the race > mentality. Any slower and they just might get left behind, but as someone > else said, here here for competition. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of James Mannion > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: i5 Underwhelming > > I agree with what was said that change will slow down as a technology > matures. Also I think you have to really logicly think to yourself, what is > the reality compared to specifically what you thought it coud have or should > have been. If it is just a perception with no logic behind it, then you > really need to question if it is grounded in anything. Then there is also > the factor, there is only so much change at one time that there is any > chance of getting right. If you are trying to push too many changes at once, > there may be no time and resources to make sure they are done correctly. > There is already the concern of this being a .0 version and how much of a > mess it will be with bugs and things not being worked out to work correctly. > I hope they tested things well. I think though if you ask yourself what the > picture was you had in mind and how that compares with reality and you don't > know, but just on some superficial level you just don't think you are > excited enough about what is new, try grounding it in some real logical > reasoning. > > On 9/15/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <[email protected]> wrote: >> also, given the immensely short duration of time that Steve Jobs has >> been dead for, I am amazed that you can assert that Apple has slowed >> down already, and is less innovative. >> >> It is highly likely that most things coming out of Apple at this time >> he was fully aware of and these products were well and truly into the pipe > line. >> >> I agree with the other poster, in ovation is always much quicker to >> occur when your at the beginning of a products revolutionary process. >> As it matures the natural speed of evolution slows. >> >> >> On 15 Sep 2012, at 21:02, Kevin Barry <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If other platforms are moving faster it is only because they are far >>> behind. >>> As for innovations slowing down; as any technology matures change >>> will naturally slow down. >>> It can not do otherwise. >>> Everything moves faster when starting from zero. >>> This is truly basic stuff and I wonder why people keep acting shocked >>> when they encounter it. >>> >>> At 03:18 PM 9/15/2012, you wrote: >>>> I think that's what I was getting at: Going from the 4S to the 5 is >>>> not going to be substantially different. There's a reason why I >>>> chose the iPhone, but I don't think it unfair to say that Apple >>>> appears to be innovating at a slower rate than when Jobs was in >>>> charge. That doesn't mean that Cook is not innovative or that the >>>> iPhone is falling way behind. >>>> All >>>> things considered though, I think other platforms are raising the >>>> bar at a faster rate. Since we're relying on one major OS upgrade a >>>> year, I'd like to see that upgrade pack a punch. Hardware-wise, I >>>> think they're doing what they need to do to keep pace. The camera is >>>> more dynamic even if it stayed at 8 MP. But, Do Not Disturb is >>>> nothing to be wowed by when other platforms were doing this already. >>>> I'm fine with them going rogue on maps, but why fix something that >>>> wasn't broken? The same is true of Youtube. Perhaps my greater >>>> complaint is that Apple is attempting to pit itself against Google >>>> when Google could in fact help iOS stay ahead of the curve. Anyway, >>>> regardless, I am glad that accessibility is still built into the >>>> core, and that is something that for me personally keeps the iPhone >>>> ahead of everything else.--Joe >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:09 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: i5 Underwhelming >>>> >>>> Did you all consider that some people might have NFC what NFC is? >>>> LOL, just kidding. Every time I hear NFC, I don't think payment >>>> system. I think, "No F.....g Clue". >>>> >>>> Anyway, seriously though, I'm not going to belittle anyone who >>>> upgrades from the 4S to the 5 because after all, it's still moving >>>> up the chain of new devices. However for me personally, I can wait >>>> because with what I can get out of the 4S, I can't justify a new >>>> phone just yet. Now, if I was coming from the 3GS or the 4, then I >>>> would definitely be getting the 5. >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>> A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is >>>> shining and wants it back the minute it begins to rain. - Mark Twain >>>> Home Page: >>>> http://raulgallegos.com >>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 >>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 >>>> >>>> On 9/14/2012 2:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>>> Well said, Allison. It seems that with every release of a new >>>>> iPhone a certain group of people (and I don't necessarily mean just >>>>> people on this list) complain and say it's disappointing etc. When >>>>> the 4S came out it was the same, a lot of people were disappointed >>>>> it wasn't called the iPhone 5 as if the name matters and so on. I >>>>> actually think it would have been smart of Apple to just call it >>>>> "the new iPhone", after all, a MacBook Pro or an iMac doesn't have a > model number. >>>>> Compared to a 4S the iPhone 5 is maybe not quite as big an update >>>>> as the 4S was from the 4, but of course for the many people who are >>>>> on a >>>>> 4 or even 3GS it's huge and who says it has to be this incredible >>>>> new innovation every year, it's not as if anybody's life and >>>>> happiness depends on the fact that they buy a new iPhone every >>>>> year; at least it shouldn't depend on that, if it does maybe you >>>>> need to spend money on a shrink instead of a new iPhone. I heard a >>>>> lot of disappointment that there is no NFC, but I think Apple may >>>>> feel NFC it's just not the thing and they certainly don't adopt >>>>> something if they don't believe in it or if they think the time isn't > right. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Sieghard >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>> Google Group. >>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google >>>> Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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