I basically agree with this. It seems like whenever there's a new update to any device, OS or large application, you'll get people on both sides of the fence. People who'll complain that too much has changed and they don't want a new look and feel or have to learn a new interface. I'm thinking of things like Windows Vista or Windows Live Mail. On the other hand, you get people who'll complain that this is a major upgrade, so why am I not seeing more? I'm thinking of JAWS updates for example. I'm not saying either side is right or wrong. I just think it's human nature.
I'm not sure though that Apple is consciously choosing to go with slow and steady over innovation and advancements. Apple has a pretty good reputation with respect to innovation after all. I suspect developing it's own map application is a pretty significant effort, and the fly over feature seems pretty flashy to me. The passbook application I think will also become huge, and shows both innovation and will be seen as a significant advancements. Putting the infrastructure in to support both applications also seems to me to be a huge effort. I guess I'm also just saying that innovation and advancement doesn't have to be done by sacrificing reliability, stability or consistency. On 19/09/12 04:49, Scott Howell wrote: > Joe, > > Ane the counter to what you say is simply this. WHile others supposedly leap > ahead with some of these apparent advancements, Apple will remain reliable > and consistent. I believe it is less important to put in features such as > facial recognition and other such gimmicks if the underlying OS is not secure > and robust. I think part of Apple's draw is the fact changes are made with > care and to maintain some level of consistency. People despite their desire > for the newest "wiz bang" features like consistency. If someone came along > and radically changed the interface of your device, you may not really > appreciate shaving to remember where everything is. Although just an example, > I am sure you can understand the point. > 1. Your first comment was regarding facial recognition as a security feature. > Well to be honest who really cares. If you consider why people steal mobile > devices I can tell you that it is rarely for the information contained on the > device. Most thefts occur so the thief can make a few bucks. > THe only real security is if the device self-destructs in the thief's hand. :) > 2. Social integration is most likely going to be based on the most popular > services which for now is Facebook and Twitter. There are lots of services > out there of course, but most are not nearly used to the degree of these two > services. > 3. With regard to maps offline viewing might be nice, but if you consider > that Apple would have to either: > (1) allow users to only download the maps they want/need or > (2) install all maps by default. There is a problem either way. The first > option means people have to make some effort to pull the maps they want/need > and that will not go over well with most users I suspect because they have > come to accept that "it just works" and that is the expectation. THe second > problem is obviously preloading the device with all the maps of the areas > where the devices will be sold or just all the maps in general would consume > a fair bit of space and that would not be acceptable to users. > Is there a solution? Probably and maybe that would be in a future version. > 4. Keyboards, well I don't see any problem with the default keyboard. Maybe > it is not perfect, but I am sure something along the lines of Flexy might be > a nice addition. So,there may be better options or ways to implement and > unless folks in general complain I do not expect APple will change anything > here. So, most folks must not have a problem with the default keyboard. > 5. I am sure Siri will be improved, but nor do I expect Siri to be perfect. > Because Siri is not localized to the device there is going to be some lag in > getting a response, but that is the nature of the beast. If I recall > correctly, Android does the processing locally which would make a difference. > Of course all this depends on how heavily you use Siri. Because I'm not a > heavy user of Siri I am not overly concerned. > > I really do not get the point of all this chatter about the micro USB > connection. Apple does not have to use any standard connection and to be > honest I think their sales numbers prove that most people do not care either. > A lot of the points you made really appeal to a smaller subset of the overall > population of mobile users in my opinion. I believe the average user wants > something that works and is consistent. The problem with Android as I see it > is the fact that there is less consistency, carriers do not provide a simple > upgrade path if one at all, and most of the manufactures are basing their > "wow!" factor on things that the average user is not really interested in. If > you are a tinkerer you probably won't find the stock iOS for you and you will > be jailbreaking or using something else. For me I had all my hacking fun in > my youth and now I'm much more interested in being productive and not having > to tweak things to work. If iOS no longer meets my needs I would look for > something el se, but since it has and I expect it will continue to meet my needs, no point looking elsewhere. > Of course these are my opinions and like you I am able to express them as > well. > > On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Joe <[email protected]> wrote: > >> James, >> >> Man, this is what happens when I get behind on a crowded list. To be fair >> though, you bring up a good point, and here is one of my last posts on the >> subject before letting the horse rest. >> >> 1. Security: I think Apple could have beefed up iOS 6 for facial recognition >> or something in the same neighborhood similar to other platforms. Apple >> could do it if it wanted. >> >> 2. Social Networking Integration: Facebook and Twitter great, however, not >> the only boys in town. Everyone will have their preference, but social net >> is still better integrated on opposing platforms. >> >> 3. Maps: Not a bad first attempt. No serious complaints there, but if you're >> going to roll it out, do it Apple grandeur style. No off-line view is >> disappointing, and turn-by-turn better on alternative platforms. >> >> 4. Keyboards: Please oh please let me pick my own style of keyboard on iOS. >> Or, am I missing something? I'd like to make the change that affects my >> experience across the board and not just in isolated apps. >> >> 5. Voice Recognition: Here here for more Siri comprehension, but let's hope >> that Siri in its final iteration competes with voice recognition on other >> platforms. I would almost want Siri to only understand ten commands if it >> did so promptly and consistently. I hate the clicking, and the faster >> processors leave little room to continue using the beta argument. >> >> As for speedy developments within short time spans, iOS has not changed >> significantly since it launched. Visually, it's still the same dated >> interface. So, that argument may have worked a couple years ago, but Apple >> is sticking to the same slow pace. Other companies are showing that the >> fundamentals can stay in place while jumping into new innovations. Other >> manufacturers are stretching the limits on what can be done hardware-wise, >> not the least of which is the use of more common ports. Less pens is great. >> The more common USB connection would have been even better. >> >> So, there you are. The list is not exhaustive, and it may not fire up other >> people's cylinders. It does to me, however, and with accessibility slowly >> smoothing out across the board, I'm just saying blind people are going to >> have a tougher time defending Apple for their slow but steady wins the race >> mentality. Any slower and they just might get left behind, but as someone >> else said, here here for competition. >> >> Joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of James Mannion >> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:24 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: i5 Underwhelming >> >> I agree with what was said that change will slow down as a technology >> matures. Also I think you have to really logicly think to yourself, what is >> the reality compared to specifically what you thought it coud have or should >> have been. If it is just a perception with no logic behind it, then you >> really need to question if it is grounded in anything. Then there is also >> the factor, there is only so much change at one time that there is any >> chance of getting right. If you are trying to push too many changes at once, >> there may be no time and resources to make sure they are done correctly. >> There is already the concern of this being a .0 version and how much of a >> mess it will be with bugs and things not being worked out to work correctly. >> I hope they tested things well. I think though if you ask yourself what the >> picture was you had in mind and how that compares with reality and you don't >> know, but just on some superficial level you just don't think you are >> excited enough about what is new, try grounding it in some real logical >> reasoning. >> >> On 9/15/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <[email protected]> wrote: >>> also, given the immensely short duration of time that Steve Jobs has >>> been dead for, I am amazed that you can assert that Apple has slowed >>> down already, and is less innovative. >>> >>> It is highly likely that most things coming out of Apple at this time >>> he was fully aware of and these products were well and truly into the pipe >> line. >>> >>> I agree with the other poster, in ovation is always much quicker to >>> occur when your at the beginning of a products revolutionary process. >>> As it matures the natural speed of evolution slows. >>> >>> >>> On 15 Sep 2012, at 21:02, Kevin Barry <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> If other platforms are moving faster it is only because they are far >>>> behind. >>>> As for innovations slowing down; as any technology matures change >>>> will naturally slow down. >>>> It can not do otherwise. >>>> Everything moves faster when starting from zero. >>>> This is truly basic stuff and I wonder why people keep acting shocked >>>> when they encounter it. >>>> >>>> At 03:18 PM 9/15/2012, you wrote: >>>>> I think that's what I was getting at: Going from the 4S to the 5 is >>>>> not going to be substantially different. There's a reason why I >>>>> chose the iPhone, but I don't think it unfair to say that Apple >>>>> appears to be innovating at a slower rate than when Jobs was in >>>>> charge. That doesn't mean that Cook is not innovative or that the >>>>> iPhone is falling way behind. >>>>> All >>>>> things considered though, I think other platforms are raising the >>>>> bar at a faster rate. Since we're relying on one major OS upgrade a >>>>> year, I'd like to see that upgrade pack a punch. Hardware-wise, I >>>>> think they're doing what they need to do to keep pace. The camera is >>>>> more dynamic even if it stayed at 8 MP. But, Do Not Disturb is >>>>> nothing to be wowed by when other platforms were doing this already. >>>>> I'm fine with them going rogue on maps, but why fix something that >>>>> wasn't broken? The same is true of Youtube. Perhaps my greater >>>>> complaint is that Apple is attempting to pit itself against Google >>>>> when Google could in fact help iOS stay ahead of the curve. Anyway, >>>>> regardless, I am glad that accessibility is still built into the >>>>> core, and that is something that for me personally keeps the iPhone >>>>> ahead of everything else.--Joe >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:09 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: i5 Underwhelming >>>>> >>>>> Did you all consider that some people might have NFC what NFC is? >>>>> LOL, just kidding. Every time I hear NFC, I don't think payment >>>>> system. I think, "No F.....g Clue". >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, seriously though, I'm not going to belittle anyone who >>>>> upgrades from the 4S to the 5 because after all, it's still moving >>>>> up the chain of new devices. However for me personally, I can wait >>>>> because with what I can get out of the 4S, I can't justify a new >>>>> phone just yet. Now, if I was coming from the 3GS or the 4, then I >>>>> would definitely be getting the 5. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>>> A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is >>>>> shining and wants it back the minute it begins to rain. - Mark Twain >>>>> Home Page: >>>>> http://raulgallegos.com >>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 >>>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 >>>>> >>>>> On 9/14/2012 2:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>>>> Well said, Allison. It seems that with every release of a new >>>>>> iPhone a certain group of people (and I don't necessarily mean just >>>>>> people on this list) complain and say it's disappointing etc. When >>>>>> the 4S came out it was the same, a lot of people were disappointed >>>>>> it wasn't called the iPhone 5 as if the name matters and so on. I >>>>>> actually think it would have been smart of Apple to just call it >>>>>> "the new iPhone", after all, a MacBook Pro or an iMac doesn't have a >> model number. >>>>>> Compared to a 4S the iPhone 5 is maybe not quite as big an update >>>>>> as the 4S was from the 4, but of course for the many people who are >>>>>> on a >>>>>> 4 or even 3GS it's huge and who says it has to be this incredible >>>>>> new innovation every year, it's not as if anybody's life and >>>>>> happiness depends on the fact that they buy a new iPhone every >>>>>> year; at least it shouldn't depend on that, if it does maybe you >>>>>> need to spend money on a shrink instead of a new iPhone. I heard a >>>>>> lot of disappointment that there is no NFC, but I think Apple may >>>>>> feel NFC it's just not the thing and they certainly don't adopt >>>>>> something if they don't believe in it or if they think the time isn't >> right. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sieghard >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>>> Google Group. >>>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>> Google >>>>> Group. >>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>> Google Group. >>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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