It will require eye contact if you have the attention required option set on, which is the default. I think it gets turned off when you enable VoiceOver though.

On 09/15/2017 04:35 PM, Chip Orange wrote:
I believe you wrong about not being able to use Face ID ... it doesn't require 
eye contact ... it doesn't look at where your eyes are looking, it makes a 3d 
map of your facial structure (not its visual appearance).

Hth,

Chip


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Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: iPhone 6+

Well, I am reasonably sure I am one of those people. I say that because when people say 
"look at me", I can certainly face them, but I cannot make iContact in the 
sense that sighted    People  do. Therefore, I figure I can't do it. And my guess is that 
there are other totally blind people, not to mention those with prosthetic eyes, who also 
can't do it. I think I read that if you have VoiceOver enabled, that look at the phone 
feature is automatically disabled. I might be wrong. God knows memory isn't what it used 
to be. But if that is true, one assumes that Apple figures most voiceover users can't 
look at the phone. We shall see, as you say.

Mary


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On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:

I would really be interested to know ho wmany blind people really are unable as 
in incapable to look at the phone. I guess we'll hear how this works in the 
real world starting in November when these phones are going to be in the hands 
of people like Jonathan Mosen, other Podcasters and of course also some of the 
people on this list.


-----Original Message-----
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Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: iPhone 6+

It's pretty clear that the less secure version of Face ID should work for blind 
people who can't look at the phone. But it seems like a fair amount of the nice 
functionality is gone and the security is Les. How much less? That alone would 
make me not want this phone at this time. Maybe they will solve this problem 
and future. I hope so. I would hate to think we are stuck with a less 
functional less secure means of unlocking The phone, with the only alternative 
being the clunky inefficient passcode method. I wish they had put touch ID into 
the side button of this new phone. Maybe they will do that in the future, 
although I doubt it. Of course a sensor on the side isn't as convenient as a 
sensor on the front. But it beats sacrificing some functionality because you 
can't look at the phone.
Mary


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On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:

I am very sure that next fall all iPhones will get Face Id as Apple really 
seems to think that this is the way forward when it comes to biometric security 
and they obviously spend a great amount of time and money to get this to work. 
Just as with Touch Id and as it was pointed out in one of the articles Face Id 
will surely get perfected, there will probably be a new 3D sensor in a year or 
two which will make it even better.
If your 6 Plus still works well and if you are not on contract any more then 
why not find the cheapest possible plan from one of the MVNO's like Consumer 
Cellular or whatever others have been discussed here and save up to get a new 
phone next year, if you can save up enough to buy a phone outright you can then 
even continue to stay with your low-cost MVNO.


-----Original Message-----
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Billy Maynard
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 8:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: iPhone 6+

Hi,

I think this has been talked about before.  I have an iPhone 6+.  how many
verssions of ios will be still supported by the 6+?   Will 11?  like Most
have said about the X I don't see an advantage to a blind person for the X but, 
the 8+ might be a nice upgrade?  I do wonder though will face id become the 
standard of any phones after the x replacing touch id on allthere moddles after 
the x.  Like would it move to the next gen iPad etc and any upcoming phones.  
Thanks for any help.

Billy Maynard,
P.S. I think I heard ios 11 might be supported by 6+ but, I can not recall if 
they said this is the last ios verssion that will be supported.

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