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Thanks. On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:00 PM matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I not only forwarded this, but have added my thoughts to them regarding > this as well. > > Matthew > > > On Sep 29, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Hello List, > > > > There has been a fair bit of discussion on a change Apple has implemented > in the Mail app whenit comes to using the rotor to delete messages. In the > past and ever since Apple has introduced rotor actions, a marvellous > invention, the behaviour of the rotor has been quite consistent. > > Usually you check your Inbox, some messages you don’t even open before you > want to delete them, others you might read and want to delete afterwards, > no matter what, you would normally flick up once when ona message in the > Inbox, this would put focus on the “Delete” option and now you simply > double tap and the message is deleted. > > This is the same in the Messages app, it works if you want to delete a > Favourite in your Phone app, a recent call and you can use it in many other > places. > > After the message or whatever you are deleting has been deleted, for years > the normal behaviour was that “Activate” has focus again. This of course > makes sense because if you flick through the available options, “Activate” > also tells you that it is the default option so of course you would expect > that whatever you do focus returns to it so after you delete a message and > if you now want to read the next message all you have to do is double tap > and it opens up. > > Now in IOS 11 Apple has decided that in the Mail app only the rotor should > behave differently. Mind you if you go to your Inbox and flick through the > available rotor options, when you get back to activate it still says > “Activate, default” > > However, if you flick up to delete and double tap to delete a message and > then double tap again expecting you are going to open the next message in > focus you are sadly mistaken. Apparently the term “default” doesn’t apply > any more and all you just did is delete the next message. Oops, it was an > important message you wanted to keep or reply to? Well, no problem, just > back out of your Inbox, find your delete items, find the message and move > it back to the Inbox, then back out of deleted items and go back to your > Inbox. Why, thank you Apple, you just made my day, I didn’t count how many > taps and flicks, scrub gestures and swipes this takes, but it’s of course > ridiculous. > > We all know how engrained keystrokes and by now taps and swipes become > when you get used to something, it makes no sense to make “delete” the > default action especially if it still says “Activate” is the default. I > also wonder what’s next, what if Apple decides this should also be so in > the Messages app? If you accidently delete a text message with important > information like maybe the link to the boarding pass you just sent to your > phone after checking in to a flight online then you can’t just tap, swipe > and scrub for 30 seconds to get it back, it’s gone for good which is why > allowing Apple to get away with this sets I think a dangerous precedent. > > Looking at the issue from that perspective is concerning and I think it is > one of these times when everybody and I really mean everybody even if you > don’t use the Mail app on the iPhone should send a message to > accessibil...@apple.com asking that the default action which is > “activate” is restored, it may not effect you this time, but maybe next > time Apple changes something it will effect you and we need to speak up and > let Apple know that we prefer a consistent, polished UI and experience over > random and unexplained changes which make no sense to anybody. Come on > Apple, Tim Cook and others point out at every keynote how Apple can do > things others can’t because you have complete control over both hardware > and software, you claim that your devices and software are superior because > of the consistency in the UI often even when you go from iOS to Mac OS, TV > OS and Watch OS so put your rotor actions where your mouth is and fix this > so it is once again consistent. > > I am going to do something I usually don’t do because I respect the > owner’s wish not to discuss beta software. However, in this case I will say > that after installing the iOS 11.1 Public Beta this behaviour is still > present. This would support the email I received from Apple Accessibility > where after I submitted this as a bug I was told that it is in fact changed > and expected behaviour. In iOS 11.1 Apple has added additional and > completely unnecessary verbage, now if you flick up to the delete rotor > option and double tap Voiceover tells you “Message Deleted”. I am amazed to > receive such profound information, I mean I just performed the actions to > delete a message, do I really need to hear that this is what I did? > > I guess it helps when you forget that the rotor is on delete now so when I > double tap to open my next message maybe Apple should add an evil laughing > sound after it says “Message deleted” or maybe the second time it should > say “You idiot, you just deleted another message, don’t you remember that > the default rotor action is not actually the default anymore”? > > In iOS 11.1 you can now also wait for Voiceover to entirely read the next > message in your Inbox which means listening to where it came from, the > subject and when it arrived, after all that is spoken Voiceover now does > provide the helpful information “current action, delete”. I admit that is > somewhat helpful, but how often do I actually want to listen to Voiceover > reading all this stuff? I guess I could suggest that “Current action, > delete” is spoken before Voiceover reads the message information, similar > to how Voiceover will say “Unread” before unread messages, but that would > mean I am satisfied with having delete as the default rotor action once you > select that option where all I really want is for Apple to make the rotor > go back to “Activate” where it should be. > > > > Lastly I would like you guys to click on Jonathan Mosen’s blog article > “Cupertino > we have a design problem”. > <http://mosen.org/cupertino-we-have-a-design-problem/> > > As always it is up to Jonathan’s usual high standard of a well-articulated > and well-presented argument regarding this issue and while I have already > borrowed some of his points to make my own, please do read it and then > decide for yourself if this makes sense or not. There are probably a few > people who think it does, but ask yourself what introducing such > inconsistencies really accomplishes and where we will be in a few years, > maybe down the road a double tap will only activate a button or a link or > other item throughout the week and on Sundays Voiceover will tell you to > enjoy your weekend instead and that you should really leave your phone > alone and spend quality time with your family and friends. I know this is > an unlikely example, but I just want to make the point again that Apple of > all companies should follow their own teachings and make things consistent > and easy to use instead of surprising us with different behaviour in > different places. Of all things the Mail app is Apple’s own design and one > could argue it’s almost part of the OS even though one can of course choose > to use a third-party app for mail. If a developer decided that once delete > is selected it essentially becomes the new default action I could maybe > understand this because maybe they don’t know any better, but Apple should. > > > > Feel free to simply forward this entire message to Apple Accessibility if > you don’t feel like writing your own and simply add your support, agreement > and request to change this again at the beginning. > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. 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