I didn't say that no-one had it, nor that they could not offer feedback, just that they specifically had not been asked to test it by Apple on the Voice Over front.
So they may have had iOS6 legitimately from Apple, weeks, months ahead of the rest of us, but, that they got it from Apple through the paid developer service. That means they get the software, and yes, can offer feedback, but, that Apple did not invite them specifically to do so. This isn't to say that Apple don't listen to any feedback they give, but simply, that these people have chosen to pay for the right to do so, and do not necessarily represent the full range of power iOS users. On 24 Sep 2012, at 02:58, James Mannion <[email protected]> wrote: > Has anyone ever asked them why they do not and if they will not have > IOS voiceover beta testers? If they are interested in developing to > the user experience, why are they putting stupid conflicting interests > ahead of that? I had previously thought that some on this list were > IOS beta testers. Back in the time when the Voiceover on podcast was > put out, those guys said they were voiceover beta testers and beta > tested IOS versions. Has Apple eliminated this valuable testing in the > name of keeping things all secret or some other reason? I also thought > some on this list even last week had said they were testing iOS for a > while, and not just the ones that grabbed the version that was leaked > on the 12th or soon there after either. Can anyone confirm this? > > On 9/23/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <[email protected]> wrote: >> Sieghard, >> >> To be honest it just smacks of Apple's complacency in the iOS field, they >> have Voice Over beta testers for OSx, but, none for iOS. >> >> You have to join their Developer team for that, a paid experience, and one >> that per say does not make you a Voice Over beta tester, just a beta iOS >> tester, and not even that really, you're just a developer. >> >> I believe this is why we have odd Voice Over bugs in iOS more so than OSx, >> as Apple do not have folk who use it regularly testing it, and those who do, >> test the areas they are interested in, and not a full range of features. >> Yes, this is a generalised statement, however, knowing that apple does not >> have Voice over iOS testers in terms of beta testing tells me a lot. >> >> This is fact before anyone says, ah well I know x, or y, I have been told >> categorically by very high level persons that to get a hold of iOS to test >> you have to be a developer, and then the only feedback they take on board is >> by way of your remarks, not a full beta testing team. This is not the case >> with OSx which they have a proper team for and allow measured tested >> feedback with. >> On 23 Sep 2012, at 17:59, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Neil, >>> >>> Is there a way to delete all episodes? I have not found that, but I agree >>> with ?Alvin, in Downcast if you mark episodes as played they are not >>> visible >>> unless you tap on "Show More Episodes" or whatever it's called exactly. I >>> may not want to delete an episode because what happens if I want to go >>> back >>> to an earlier episode to find something again. I am able to delete single >>> episodes in Today in iOS Podcast by doing the pass through gesture and >>> then >>> swiping across them left to right similar to how you would delete songs >>> prior to the Action rotor, the Action rotor is not yet implemented in >>> Podcasts. In any case, if I have to delete one episode at a time how long >>> am >>> I supposed to delete stuff, there are now 241 episodes of Today in iOS >>> and >>> what if you are a new subscriber to another Podcast with hundreds of >>> episodes? I guess it's not that big a deal to have them all listed there, >>> but then again if other apps can hide them that means it can be done. >>> Apple >>> claims they want to have the best Podcast app there is and it's not like >>> they didn't have plenty to compare it to. It's sort of like with the new >>> Maps, they make a big deal about a new product and then it falls way >>> short >>> of what people expect and is launched with lots of problems or incomplete >>> features. And with Maps I can see how it would be a huge job, not exactly >>> the case with a Podcast app. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav >>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 8:21 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Downcast vs iOS Podcast Client >>> >>> you already can, well not hide them, but delete them. >>> >>> just press the more button at the top of the podcast in question. >>> On 23 Sep 2012, at 15:47, Alvin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I hope they put an option to hide played episodes. >>>> >>>> On 23 Sep, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> There has been some discussion of late as to which is better, Downcast >>>>> or >>> the default iOS Podcast client from Apple. >>>>> >>>>> This is preloaded by way of comment with the fact that I've not used >>> Downcast myself, but, those I trust to offer opinion have not yet offered >>> me >>> something, other than UI comment, that makes me think one is better than >>> the >>> other. So, this message serves to inform those who on the other side of >>> the >>> fence, may not yet have used Podcast from Apple. >>>>> >>>>> Features: >>>>> >>>>> Fully automate and configure download parameters for individual >>>>> podcasts, >>>>> >>>>> choose what is downloaded, >>>>> >>>>> choose what is kept, e.g. all, unplayed, last x etc. >>>>> >>>>> playback speed, half, normal, 1.5x, 2x and 3x >>>>> >>>>> adjust display mode, newest at top or oldest at top >>>>> >>>>> choose playback order, newest first or oldest first, separate command >>> from above >>>>> >>>>> full Apple iTunes selection of podcasts an information. >>>>> >>>>> download over 3G or WiFi only. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, fully Voice Over usable and by the way, podcasts can be played / >>> controlled with Siri, which is not a feature of Downcast. >>>>> >>>>> I think that covers it all, I'm still awaiting something that Downcast >>> can do over this feature set, please do not mention the 5x speed option, >>> surely no-one listens at that speed? >>>>> >>>>> Am I seriously missing something, or not? >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google >>> Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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