Sadam, I happen to know the parties involved and that key person was only a VFO employee for a short time after VFO took over another company. About a year ago, he went to work for Microsoft. I hope things will improve between Windows and Apple where iTunes is concerned, but I'm not holding my breath.
Richard "The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy Nevill [Sent from my little hand-held computer] On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Sadam Ahmed <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Richard and all, I also have just checked my desktop PC, and discovered that I'm now running the 12.9 update. Last year Eric who works at VFO as their VP of software management came to Australia to deliver a keynote address for the introduction of jfw 2018. Quite a number of people including yours truly put the question of iTunes and JAWS accessibility degradation to him. I do concur Richard that back in the day of iTunes 10/11 things weren't so bad between jfw and iTunes. Basically at the time he said that they were working with Apple to improve access. Since his visit I was told that one of the key players at VFO who was speaking with Apple regarding accessibility of iTunes and JAWS has left them to start a new role at Microsoft. Frankly I don't think Apple cares much for the demise of Windows users. After all if it drives more people to convert to the Mac they won't be complaining. I hope we can reach a time where iTunes is retired and everything can be done from an iOS device + iCloud. I've sent them email after email asking for the issues to be addressed. Only to get their standard response. I just hope I can get to my encrypted backup when setting up my new xs. After that I'll just use iCloud and remove the program altogether. Sadam Ahmed On 9/17/2018 1:43 AM, Richard Turner wrote: I just discovered that I am using itunes 12.9. I guess I missed unchecking the check for updates automatically, so I ended up updating without realizing it. However, I wouldn’t say accessibility is completely broken either. I’m running the latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10 Home 64 bit. I have never thought iTunes was particularly accessible in Windows after about iTunes 10 or maybe early itunes 11. But, with much patience (or swearing) I can accomplish what I need to, like syncing music or adding Ringtones. I also do passworded protected backups on the computer. I do not use its file sharing as I have always found that to be too tedious for words. If I want a file on my iPhone, I put it on dropbox and then add it to my phone. I am using the iOS 12 beta on my iPhone. Richard “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:57 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken I wouldn’t assume that it is because from what I heard it is largely inaccessible. I would probably recommend not to upgrade at this point if this is so important to you. I am on the iOS 12 public beta and not that log ago hooked up my phone to the laptop to transfer some ringtones to it. This is pretty much the only thing I ever use iTunes for at this point and if Apple made it possible one day to transfer ringtones to the phone via iCloud I would probably not even put iTunes on my computer any ore. Anyhow, what I wanted to say is that I was able to put the ringtones on my phone running iOS 12 just fine so I don’t think you need to upgrade to this version of iTunes if you upgrade to iOS 12. I haven’t really checked what this upgrade is supposed to do and of course it is always possible that the final release of iOS 12 will require this latest iTunes update, who knows. One thing is for sure, if at all possible you want to upgrade to iOS 12 since it works great and especially if you have an older device you’ll notice improvements. Regards, Sieghard From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:56 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken Is file sharing still accessible in itunes 12.9? From: Mary Otten Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 8:49 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: accessibility in itunes 12.9 for pc completely broken There have been reports of this problem on various lists. Some people say that is perfectly accessible with Jaws, while others say that column browsing is broken, but list view is fine. There was a big problem with nVDA, but that has apparently been fixed with the release candidate three for the next version. I guess the thing is to upgrade at your own risk. I don’t know what accounts for the wide variation in results. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Richard Turner <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I have not updated yet, so it sounds like I shouldn't. Have you written to Apple? Richard "The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy Nevill [Sent from my little hand-held computer] On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:40 PM, "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: It looks to me like accessibility in itunes is completely broken in itunes 12.9. 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