On 17 Sep 2018, at 15:57, Marie N. <[email protected]> wrote:
Speaking of Audible accessibility, there is a bug currently which I have
verified with Audible. A couple of updates ago they changed the method for
deleting books from your device and to put it bluntly, it does not work. I am
running the beta of IOS 12 on my 6S and 11.4.1 on my eight and the problem
exists on both version. They are aware of the issue but have not yet fixed it,
so please send them feedback on the problem. I used Audible extensively and
need to be able to delete.
Marie
-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update
I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct in saying that the
statement " Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it" is a bit broad.
Typically when the word "break" is used it refers to accessibility and definitely there
are a lot of companies and developers who have prooven that accessibility is important and their
apps have continued to be just fine for years. Sonos is one example, Audible has been good for many
years and there are lots of others.
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use VDR because it’s the best thing out
there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to rebuild
this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other than the
ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m interested to know
what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I go to iOS 12? It didn’t
say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what I have and can still upgrade
to the new iOS.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational structure was
corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice. I think she may
have also lost some files and had to track them down again.
So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is not
interested in.
If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was something
else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her library will not
get screwed up yet again.
As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best. The fact
that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second time of having to
rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice Dream is compared to all
other apps of its kind.
Richard
“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under
pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like Voice Dream,
LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually break accessibility,
because they have good Beta testers, and probably test the updates with
VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt
about updating most apps. Sure, apps like Messenger have had major problems in
the past, but that's because of arrogant Facebook not taking accessibility
seriously, in my opinion. .
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind JAWS
certified
On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:04 AM, kelby carlson <[email protected]> wrote:
Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes
for all apps.)
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote:
Well, Andy, I have been bitten in the butt before with updates. Losing library
and having to rebuild them. So I’m not too interested in just updating for
updating say.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andy Baracco <[email protected]> wrote:
If the update is free, why not?
Updates usually contain under the hood improvements and bug fixes.
Andy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Otten"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:03 PM
Subject: Voice dream reader update
I see that there is a Voice Dream reader update out which says it has
compatibility with iOS 12. The only things mentioned in the notes are Siri
shortcuts and reading list. And the specific thing about Siri shortcuts relates
to reading list. So if you don’t care about reading list which I don’t, why
update? Is there anything in here that isn’t mentioned that makes it worthwhile
to take a chance?
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached
at: [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach
Cara at [email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww
.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7
C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
aaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=Tx0hgQvIvC6jwvklvJfnl5uQx
KOJ2C%2BZS9EGDbkJKoo%3D&reserved=0
--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fviphone&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=P3qQc3oC3232aZmhyhXn1U3nEFnMcIwHoHSRvMu5Muo%3D&reserved=0.
For more options, visit
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=IUtvBxZUsBK3617meWkr75VGP7e5fHpsyjNfJtEQsiU%3D&reserved=0.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached
at: [email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach
Cara at [email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww
.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7
C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaa
aaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=Tx0hgQvIvC6jwvklvJfnl5uQx
KOJ2C%2BZS9EGDbkJKoo%3D&reserved=0
--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fviphone&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=P3qQc3oC3232aZmhyhXn1U3nEFnMcIwHoHSRvMu5Muo%3D&reserved=0.
For more options, visit
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=IUtvBxZUsBK3617meWkr75VGP7e5fHpsyjNfJtEQsiU%3D&reserved=0.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara
at [email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%
7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa
%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=Tx0hgQvIvC6jwvklvJfnl5uQxKOJ2
C%2BZS9EGDbkJKoo%3D&reserved=0
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fviphone&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=P3qQc3oC3232aZmhyhXn1U3nEFnMcIwHoHSRvMu5Muo%3D&reserved=0.
For more options, visit
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=IUtvBxZUsBK3617meWkr75VGP7e5fHpsyjNfJtEQsiU%3D&reserved=0.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
[email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m
ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C
6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=Tx0hgQvIvC6jwvklvJfnl5uQxKOJ2C%2B
ZS9EGDbkJKoo%3D&reserved=0
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fviphone&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=P3qQc3oC3232aZmhyhXn1U3nEFnMcIwHoHSRvMu5Muo%3D&reserved=0.
For more options, visit
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=IUtvBxZUsBK3617meWkr75VGP7e5fHpsyjNfJtEQsiU%3D&reserved=0.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
[email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=Tx0hgQvIvC6jwvklvJfnl5uQxKOJ2C%2BZS9EGDbkJKoo%3D&reserved=0
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fviphone&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=P3qQc3oC3232aZmhyhXn1U3nEFnMcIwHoHSRvMu5Muo%3D&reserved=0.
For more options, visit
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=IUtvBxZUsBK3617meWkr75VGP7e5fHpsyjNfJtEQsiU%3D&reserved=0.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
[email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
[email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
[email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
[email protected]. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
[email protected]
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
