HI Cristóbal and All, Yes, I have to agree with you when you say: you do notice a difference in overall performance between your new Xr and your old SE, but it’s not like it’s night and day either. I’m coming from a phone 6 to a xr in which the phone 6 either over heated or caught fire because the total front screen was completely coming off, and whenever I opened an app, aw man, my phone would get extremely hot, to the point I wouldn’t even hold it in my hands. Matter of fact, I had to keep putting my phone on a cool surface, and wait for several minutes for the phone to cool down. Matter of fact, my phone carrier at the last minute decided they didn’t want my old phone because it was so badly damaged, but they still gave me a $250 credit. No one wants my old phone! LOL! Now, don’t get me wrong, my new phone xr is a nice phone, but I just don’t see a huge difference or not as of yet, but I’ve only had it since yesterday, so I am still trying to get used to it though. Janet
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cristobal Muñoz Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [ With the newer phones we’re probably dealing with the diminishing returns issue on processor performance. Especially with VO users like ourselves who don’t’ use graphic intensive games or apps. I do notice a difference in over all performance between my new Xr and my old SE, but it’s not like it’s night and day either. Cristóbal From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Feir Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [ As usual, Sieghard, you display imminent sense. I'm probably happier than Apple really wants me to be with my 7. It took until this generation to even reach this point of mild interest. Processor speed is the only area where I'd really have to disagree with you. I noticed some fairly large improvements going from 4 to 5S and from 5S to 7. Processor speed makes a noticeable difference when you're listening to music, have email, word processing and social media all going. They usually check for updates in the background. I found that I could have more happpening without things locking up on me which used to be a far more frequent occurance. I think part of that is VoiceOver placing demands on the processor. I also suspect it might make a difference with navigational apps but haven't made good use of those for a long enough period to judge. Due to a couple of unfortunate business failures, we don't have some of the more intensive audio games that used to exist. Papa Sangre and Audio Defence really put iPHONEs through their paces. There are some over-priced arcade style games around but nothing like what Something Else Ltd brought to us. Story and statistic-driven games like Six Ages don't demand much from processors despite their complexity. You're absolutely right when it comes to being caught up in the upgrade frenzy. There have been hinge points though. Going to the 64-bit 5S certainly made a big difference for me. My 7 was certainly a noticeable improvement but more in terms of stability and quicker app switching, openning and closing. A lot of little things. On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 10:46 PM Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Michael, Here is my take on some of what you said: “I have an iPHONE7 and am pretty happy with it. However, I would jump at the XR if money were no object.” I still have my 6S Plus with 64Gb of storage and only using about half. If money were no object I’d get an iPhone XS Max with 256Gb or 512Gb, I mean, heck, money is no object, right? “Things have reached the point where I'd actually be interested in the improvements to the processor and camera” and “If the camera results in better OCR and object recognition, that would also be very helpful.” The difference in the camera between the iPhone 7 and XR or for that matter even between the iPhone 6S and iPhone XS may be of importance when it comes to doing fancy photography, but they won’t make a hoot of a difference when it comes to OCR. At least that is my opinion, even the camera of the 6S is already so good that for simple OCR it is just fine and in fact I sometimes wonder if too much detail isn’t actually having a negative effect. As for processor speed you may notice this in processor intensive games, but for every-day tasks the faster processor makes a negligible difference. I have often noticed that when I upgraded, e.g. when I upgraded from a 4S to a 5S or the 5S to the 6S which always were two-generation jumps that for almost all of the day to day stuff I do the increased processor speed was not all that noticeable. “I have 3d Touch disabled and never liked it so that's no great loss.” Well, 3D Touch is personal preference, I don’t use it a lot but I do use it and certainly wouldn’t disable it. “The audio improvement would be appreciated since I sometimes use my iPHONE without AirPods. However, I just can't imagine the speakers sounding good enough to remove the need for external Bluetooth speakers for serious listening to music or audio dramas.” Agree here, if I really want to listen to high quality music I don’t even use bluetooth, I use my Sonos system or I use my iPhone with my $200 V-Mota wired headset if I don’t want to listen out loud. “I use my iPHONE as a full computer doing everything from writing to games to listening so having faster better processor capability would serve me well.” Again this goes back to what I already said about processor speed. I have a business and there is absolutely no way I could get along with just an iPhone since I have to do a lot of work with Excel spreadsheets, accounting and point of sale software and all in all I need a computer and a keyboard to efficiently do what I have to do. I think even efficient browsing the web is just so much easier and faster with a computer so for me that is not a concern, but certainly I would venture that it makes little difference whether you have an iPhone 7 or XR when it comes to using Safari, apps for listening to books, music or audio dramas or even apps like Voice Dream Writer if you use that for more advanced writing. “One thing which I would love more of is storage space. I'm reasonably comfortable with 128 GB but would love the 256 GB model if it weren't so much more expensive. I really wouldn't enjoy going back to 64 GB of storage.” Again, that is up to each person, I have an Apple Music subscription so the 25 or 28 Gb of storage I used to need for my music collection is not a concern any more since I just don’t keep music on my phone any more and even on my 64Gb model I am only using a bit more than half and that is with hundreds of photos, a bunch of videos and sometimes 6 or 8 Audible books downloaded to the device. I guess if you have a 128Gb phone now and are using 90% or better of the storage space than a large rcapacity phone may make sense, but if you use only 60% or 70% you probably wouldn’t need it. Just my opinion. I think we often get way too caught up in the upgrade game and forget that by now these phones whether iPhone or Android are mature devices where upgrading from one or two generations back often is not really necessary. I personally feel that given the price tag of these high-end phones nowadays a device that costs $1,000 or more (I am in Canada) does need to last me 4 or 5 years and the iPhone usually is so well-made that it can certainly last that long maybe with a battery replacement half way through that period. Regards, Sieghard From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Michael Feir Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:14 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [ I have an iPHONE7 and am pretty happy with it. However, I would jump at the XR if money were no object. Things have reached the point where I'd actually be interested in the improvements to the processor and camera. I have 3d Touch disabled and never liked it so that's no great loss. The audio improvement would be appreciated since I sometimes use my iPHONE without AirPods. However, I just can't imagine the speakers sounding good enough to remove the need for external Bluetooth speakers for serious listening to music or audio dramas. The phones are just too thin for good sound production I think. I use my iPHONE as a full computer doing everything from writing to games to listening so having faster better processor capability would serve me well. If the camera results in better OCR and object recognition, that would also be very helpful. One thing which I would love more of is storage space. I'm reasonably comfortable with 128 GB but would love the 256 GB model if it weren't so much more expensive. I really wouldn't enjoy going back to 64 GB of storage. On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 12:38 PM Cristobal Muñoz <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Yeah, I’m not really anti-iPhone audio, but I’ve just found that for the most part, I prefer my privacy and cut down on the chatter by either using my Aftershokz throughout the day or connect to speakers if I want to work out or listen to music. The only time I’ve really got the iPhone working off of its own speakrs is when it’s just sitting on my desk and I’m working off of my PC and I’ll get alerts or what-have-you coming in. Cristóbal From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 9:14 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [ I find that even with my 6S there is nothing wrong listening to straight audio like an audio book or Podcast. Sure, if you are in a big room and are walking around you want something louder, but that is what my Sonos system is for. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Cristobal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 9:08 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [ With the second speaker on the XR, it does have a deeper and more rich sound, but honestly, it’s really down on my list of important things to have. Rarely do I actually listen if ever to music or any audio/video stream straight off of my phone. Even a crappy set of bluetooth speakers is going to give you better sound. Cristóbal From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 6:38 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [ I have not heard the XS or the max. But the speakers are a definite upgrade from the 7+. The stereo field when you have it in landscape mode does seem wider. I don’t know how they did that, since the phone is really pretty much the same size is a 7+. Mary I have not heard the excess or the max. But the speakers are definite upgrade from the 7+. The stereo field when you have it in landscape mode does seem wider. I don’t know how they did that, since the phone is really pretty much the same size is a 7+. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:43 AM, Robert Wright <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Why doesn’t anyone talk about the speakers? Would I be getting the same stereo field on the XR as I would with the XS or XS max? is it that much better than the 7+ or the XPlus? character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!<http://character%20is%20found%20in%20how%20you%20treat%20people%20who%20cannot%20do%20anything%20for%20you!> ***<http://***> From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 10:33 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [ I agree with Cristobal, some of these tech writers I guess have to write something even if it’s mostly complete nonsense. He writes about upgrading from an iPhone X to an XR for example, now why in the world would anybody want to do this? He mentions things like 3D Touch, aluminum vs stainless steel, the less hard Gorilla glass on the back vs the newer and harder glass on both front and back on the XS and XS Max. I mean Daa, it costs $250 less so what do you expect? If it had all the same stuff then what’s the point? From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 4:11 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [ I bought the XR, because pretty much everything that isn’t available there is visual. 3D Touch is one exception, but since I almost never use it, it just wasn’t a big thing. So far, no regrets. I will take the better battery life any day, since I use my phone for so many things. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Andy Baracco <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Well, you get what you pay for, and for me, the compromises, which are mostly visual, wouldn't deter me from buying the XR. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Cristobal Muñoz<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 2:33 PM Subject: RE: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [ This almost feels like clickbait. I mean, some of these points really feel like straw grasping. *gasp* You might need to buy a third party case? The horror. Who really is upgrading from an X to an XR?Slippery band? Seriously? Cristóbal From: 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 2:27 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: 10 ways the iPhone XR is worse than the iPhone XS [ I’ve been tempted to get the XR but I don’t think I’m upgrading. On Oct 31, 2018, at 4:11 PM, 'Kliphton Miller' via VIPhone <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Jeff Benjamin <https://9to5mac.com/author/bnjmorg/> <~WRD154.jpg> In our hands-on iPhone XR top features<https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/27/top-iphone-xr-features-best-bang-for-the-buck-video/> post, we discussed twenty of the best features found on Apple’s budget-minded iPhone. The iPhone XR, as it turns out, is a great phone that I think anyone looking to upgrade from pre-iPhone X devices should consider. It features the same A12 processor as the latest iPhone XS, the same enhanced wide angle camera, and comes with high-end niceties like an all-screen display and Face ID. The iPhone XR is a compelling new hardware release for Apple, and it starts at $749, which is much less than the $999 entry-level price of the flagship iPhone XS. Yet, the iPhone XR isn’t perfect. Compromises needed to be made to meet such a price point, and some of those compromises are relatively glaring. Watch our hands-on video as we consider some of the worst iPhone XR features. LCD screen The LCD has its benefits. First and foremost, it’s significantly cheaper than the OLED screen found in the iPhone XS. It’s also brighter, and yields better battery life overall. If you’re coming from a device like the iPhone 7 or iPhone 8, then you probably won’t care about the downsides of the iPhone XR’s LCD screen. On the other hand, if you’re coming from an iPhone X, the display differences are noticeable, especially in certain situations. For starters, LCD screens are backlit, and that can result in noticeable backlight bleed, especially while in dark environments. Secondly, because of the backlight, black levels aren’t as good as the OLED screen in the iPhone X or iPhone XS, especially when viewing the device off axis. And although the iPhone XR display supports wide color and colors look relatively good, it’s missing the color “pop” that you find on the Super Retina display of the OLED models. The XR has a fine LCD screen, but it’s simply not as appealing to the eye as the displays found on the iPhone X and XS. Video walkthrough Subscribe to 9to5Mac on YouTube for more videos<https://www.youtube.com/c/9to5mac?sub_confirmation=1> 326 ppi Retina display The iPhone XR, with its 326 ppi is technically a Retina display, but considering the iPhone 4 featured the same ppi, it meets the definition in the earliest sense of the marketing term. <326-PPI-Retina-Display.jpg> Newer iPhones feature significantly denser displays from a resolution standpoint — the iPhone XS ships with a 2436‑by-1125‑pixel resolution display at 458 ppi, for instance — while the iPhone XR stands at a relatively pedestrian 1792-by-828 within a slightly larger display area. No 3D Touch 3D Touch is one of the most underrated iPhone features, and continues to fly under the radar as far as its usefulness is concerned. A lot of people with 3D Touch-enabled iPhones don’t even recognize that the feature is available, which is unfortunate given its usefulness. With this in mind, Apple probably didn’t have to think long about dropping the feature to save money on the iPhone XR. <No-3D-Touch-iPhone-XR.jpg> But if you’re like me, a big fan of 3D Touch, then the omission is a big loss. It means that you no longer have the ability to use Quick Action Shortcuts from the Home screen app icons, potentially slowing down your workflow. It also means no live wallpaper, and no peek and pop actions within supported apps. Of course, Apple implemented a new Haptic Touch feature to fill in for 3D Touch in certain key areas, such as with the Lock screen camera and flashlight shortcuts, but Haptic Touch is the very definition of a poor man’s 3D Touch. Noticeably thicker When I first held the iPhone XR I immediately commented on its thickness — it’s a fairly thick phone by Apple standards, and the thickest iOS device the company currently produces. At 8.3 mm, it feels noticeable thicker than the iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max, which are both 7.7 mm thick. If you’re coming from the iPhone 7 or 8, which are only 7.1 mm and 7.3 mm thick respectively, the difference is even more noticeable. <image001.jpg> Bezels One of the most obvious differences between the iPhone XR and the iPhone XS are the bezels surrounding the edge of the display. The XR has noticeably thicker bezels than the iPhone XS, measuring approximately 4mm wide. The iPhone XS features slimmer bezels that are approximately 2mm. Bezels have no impact on overall usability, but it makes for a sleeker iPhone XS design. <image002.jpg> No dual camera The iPhone XR lacks the dual camera setup of the flagship iPhone XS, which means you don’t get all of the extra bells and whistles that are made possible as a result. Missing features include 2x zoom, which uses the telephoto lens. You still get digital zoom, but it’s not as desirable as real zoom using the secondary glass found on dual camera iPhones. <iPhone-XR-No-Optical-Zoom.jpg> Other missing features include the inability to use Portrait mode with non-human subjects, including pets, although the third-party camera app Halide attempts to address this issue<https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/29/halide-iphone-xr-1-11-update/>. You’ll also have to do without the stage lighting features found in Portrait mode on higher end phones, but in my opinion that’s not a huge loss. Rear glass isn’t as durable One of the notable features of the iPhone XS is that it comes with more durable glass on both the front and the back of the device. The iPhone XR comes with the same extra-durable glass, but it’s only found on the front of your device. <iPhone-XR-Rear-Glass.jpg> Slippery aluminum band The stainless steel bands on the iPhone X and iPhone XS provide more than just a pretty exterior. Stainless steel is grippier than the anodized aluminum bands the wrap around the exterior of the iPhone XR, which are more prone to accidentally slipping out of the hand in my experience. <iPhone-XR-slippery.jpg> No first party cases…yet And that’s a bad thing, because there are no first party cases available. Although there’s are indications that Apple might soon launch its own clear case for the iPhone XR<https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/12/iphone-xr-apple-clear-case/> to accentuate the device’s variety of color options, no such case is available as of this writing. In fact, there were a total of zero first party cases available for the iPhone XR at launch. If you want an iPhone XR case<https://amzn.to/2JtXv5D>, you’ll need to consider third party options for the time being. <image003.jpg> Less water resistance With the release of the iPhone XS, Apple stepped up its water resistance for its smartphones with an IP68 rating (maximum depth of 2 meters up to 30 minutes). 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