just reminding you. a thought that sometimes devleopers and technicians
do put complications on siri and voiceover as they don't realize what
they are doing. we have to let apple know of the mix--up of siri and
voiceover as sometimes developers set up wrong way.
okay, just trying to be helpful. if you say i am wrong, that is fine.the
quote is you can see me but i can't see you...i can see you but you
can't see me.
no matter if you know something and i know something and we are
different.. i am not here to argue, but to try to be helpful. hope this
helps.
On 11/3/2018 11:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hello,
I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12
there is no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which
includes what Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS
11, either, but it could be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired
external speaker. Now Voiceover is switched to the Earpiece of the
phone where even at full volume it can be barely heard and even though
with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking loud and clear via the
Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the microphone. My own
voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but nothing else.
I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me
could test this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus
so if people with an iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do some testing that
would be great. Please make sure you flick down on the Screen
Recording icon in Control Centre to Adjust controls and make sure the
microphone is turned on before starting. Then try it with just the
phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external speaker or switches
to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or wired
external speaker.
Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this.
If your findings match mine please also send a message and feel free
to use all or part of my message. Screen recordings which include
Voiceover speech can be really useful and they used to work. This way
if you encounter an app with unlabeled buttons or other elements which
are not spoken correctly by Voiceover you can easily make a demo and
send it to the developer to show them. OK, here now is my message:
Hello,
I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the
Screen Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I
think it's a big feature omission which should be addressed
especially since it used to be different. Here is the problem:
If I, as a Voiceover user, start a screen recording with the
microphone enabled Voiceover disappears or, to be more exact, it is
banished to the earpiece where it can be barely heard.
Not only does this make it difficult for a blind user to navigate and
perform gestures on the phone, but it also means that only what I say
is recorded, whatever Voiceover speaks or does not speak is not
captured on the screen recording video.
As I said, this used to be different. When screen recording was first
introduced as a feature Voiceover continued to speak on the external
speaker and what was spoken was captured on the video. This allowed a
blind person to demonstrate accessibility issues in apps or iOS
itself. If, for example, certain buttons were only spoken as "button"
without a description as to their purpose I could have made a screen
recording to demonstrate this and then sent the recording to the
developer asking if the problem could be fixed in a future update.
In iOS 11 or at least the last time I used screen recording for this
purpose which I am pretty sure was in iOS 11, I could still accomplish
this by connecting to a Bluetooth speaker, the audio would remain on
the Bluetooth speaker and would be captured on the video. Today I
wanted to make a screen recording to show somebody how to do something
in an app and while Voiceover continued to speak via the Bluetooth
speaker, after I finished and played back the video I heard my own
voice as I was explaining the gestures I performed, but there was no
trace of Voiceover which really baffles me because all along Voiceover
could be heard loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker.
How is it possible that my voice which is an external sound is
recorded, but Voiceover coming from the Bluetooth speaker, also an
external sound, was not picked up by the microphone?
I use an iPhone 6S Plus so after this didn't work with a Bluetooth
speaker I used a wired speaker and plugged it into the 3.5mm audio
jack of my iPhone. Once again Voiceover came from the speaker loud and
clear. I started the screen recording and made sure that microphone
was turned on. After I finished I played back the video only to find
that again I could be heard clearly but Voiceover could not be heard
at all.
I don't have access to other phones such as an iPhone 7, 8 or higher
to see if screen recording behaves differently, but I would really
like to urge Apple to consider to make screen recording once again
accessible and, what is equally important, useful for a visually
impaired user with respect to making a demo which includes what
Voiceover speaks.
Best regards,
Sieghard
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