Sieghard , again, we've got to thank you, for you needing others to test the
recording on their phones, for one thing we weren't aware of the screen
recording feature in the phone, that you clarified in the message below isn't
an app, so thanks for informing us of it. the screen recorder, sounds quite
useful, and we really want to learn it, though we need a bit more help with it.
We couldn't find any of the controls, even the microphone. Somehow I'm missing
something not finding these controls. You're instructions are clear, but as I
said we're not finding the controls, and as I said this is something we really
want to learn to use. By the way we changed the rotor settings, we tried all of
them, thinking that it might have helped, but didn't do anything. There's so
many useful things to do with it including making tutorials. We're greatful for
your assistance in using the screen recorder, even though at this point it has
a bug in it.We meant to be helpful along with us as far as the testing, which
is not necessary any longer since there's been enough list members that have
tested the screen record along with your experience. So, if there's something
that we're missing, please let us know, and thanks again for always sharing
your own experiences, how to instructions and knowledge.
Arlene and Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover
Hello Arlene,
Voice Memos is a completely different app, in a way, screen recording is not
an app but a function of iOS. I know Voice memos and other recording apps work
fine and I see that some people can make a screen recording where Voiceover can
be heard although not very loud. I did include instructions on how to enable
the microphone for screen recordings in my original message, you do it by
flicking up or down on Screen Recorder to "Open Controls" and double tap, then
locate the Microphone toggle.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover
Sieghard, we thought we would try testing with the se phones, and this is
what we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely
spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the
microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same
thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is
what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder
it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice
very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the
other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except
for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question,
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works
just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way
including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just how you want it
to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's
where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up
doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording.
Arlene and Wayne
www.alldigitalaudio.com
arlenes71...@earthlink.net
greenwoo...@cox.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM
Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover
Hello,
I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what
Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could
be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover
is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be
barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking
loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the
microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but
nothing else.
I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could
test this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people
with an iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do some testing that would be great.
Please make sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control Centre
to Adjust controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before starting.
Then try it with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external
speaker or switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or
wired external speaker.
Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this. If
your findings match mine please also send a message and feel free to use all or
part of my message. Screen recordings which include Voiceover speech can be
really useful and they used to work. This way if you encounter an app with
unlabeled buttons or other elements which are not spoken correctly by Voiceover
you can easily make a demo and send it to the developer to show them. OK, here
now is my message:
Hello,
I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the Screen
Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I think it's a big
feature omission which should be addressed especially since it used to be
different. Here is the problem:
If I, as a Voiceover user, start a screen recording with the microphone
enabled Voiceover disappears or, to be more exact, it is banished to the
earpiece where it can be barely heard.
Not only does this make it difficult for a blind user to navigate and
perform gestures on the phone, but it also means that only what I say is
recorded, whatever Voiceover speaks or does not speak is not captured on the
screen recording video.
As I said, this used to be different. When screen recording was first
introduced as a feature Voiceover continued to speak on the external speaker
and what was spoken was captured on the video. This allowed a blind person to
demonstrate accessibility issues in apps or iOS itself. If, for example,
certain buttons were only spoken as "button" without a description as to their
purpose I could have made a screen recording to demonstrate this and then sent
the recording to the developer asking if the problem could be fixed in a future
update.
In iOS 11 or at least the last time I used screen recording for this
purpose which I am pretty sure was in iOS 11, I could still accomplish this by
connecting to a Bluetooth speaker, the audio would remain on the Bluetooth
speaker and would be captured on the video. Today I wanted to make a screen
recording to show somebody how to do something in an app and while Voiceover
continued to speak via the Bluetooth speaker, after I finished and played back
the video I heard my own voice as I was explaining the gestures I performed,
but there was no trace of Voiceover which really baffles me because all along
Voiceover could be heard loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker.
How is it possible that my voice which is an external sound is recorded,
but Voiceover coming from the Bluetooth speaker, also an external sound, was
not picked up by the microphone?
I use an iPhone 6S Plus so after this didn't work with a Bluetooth speaker
I used a wired speaker and plugged it into the 3.5mm audio jack of my iPhone.
Once again Voiceover came from the speaker loud and clear. I started the screen
recording and made sure that microphone was turned on. After I finished I
played back the video only to find that again I could be heard clearly but
Voiceover could not be heard at all.
I don't have access to other phones such as an iPhone 7, 8 or higher to see
if screen recording behaves differently, but I would really like to urge Apple
to consider to make screen recording once again accessible and, what is equally
important, useful for a visually impaired user with respect to making a demo
which includes what Voiceover speaks.
Best regards,
Sieghard
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