Sieghard, thank you for these additional instructions which we'll try.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover
Use the rotor, flick to open controls and double tap
Also, just double tapping on it will start a screen recording and double
tapping again will end it, but by default the microphone is not on so while
this will create a video showing your screen and what you do it will be a
silent video.
If you double tapped on it before chance are you made some screen recordings
already, just check your Photos app and delete them if you accidently created
some.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover
Sieghard, as it turns out I don't think we got into the screen recording last
night as I was thinking, but we would like to test it and learn about it since
we weren't aware of it. Anyway we find screen recording in the control center,
but how do you begin the recording? After you let me know how to start the
recording, then we could send the recording to you. We know how to activate it,
remove it and move it around, but Wayne can't find the controls for it, so if
you could tell us how to find the controls and how to use it, to start the
recording and stop the recording, that would be very ehlpful, we really want to
learn this. If it's on the ipad too, we'll try it on there as well. We're
coming along with the phone, but we're still learning as it's just been from
earlier this year that we got these se phones, so your knowledge, and others on
here is so helpful. there's always something else to learn. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover
Arlene,
If you made a screen recording it would be in your Photos app, could you
please send it to the list or myself directly as an attachment so I can hear
how it sounds differently or, as you say, normally, this would help me in my
discussion with Apple Accessibility.
All you have to do is locate the video in the Photos app, double tap on it,
then find the Share button, select Mail and send it to Viphone@GoogleGroups.com
if you want to post it to the list or send it to me directly, the email address
is siegh...@live.ca
I would really be very interested since you would be the first person who
can make a screen recording where Voiceover is heard loud and clear.
Thanks,
Sieghard
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover
Sieghard, we followed your instructions, and I think we tested recording in
both screen recorder and voice memo and with both our voices and voice over can
be heard very clearly. I know the concern you have isn't about voice memo, but
we did want to try both. As I said I'm quite sure we did test screen recording
even though at first we weren't sure what you meant, but I think we did find
it. I'll have to go over with Wayne what we did, in case I'm missing something.
I hope someone has the answer to remedy this situation with screen recorder for
you and others. I possibly might have questions a bit later and if I do I'll
write back and ask whatever questions I have about the screen recording. Thanks
again for the mentioning of your situation about recording, since it can be so
useful in differing situations, that we weren't thinking about.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover
Hello Arlene,
Voice Memos is a completely different app, in a way, screen recording is
not an app but a function of iOS. I know Voice memos and other recording apps
work fine and I see that some people can make a screen recording where
Voiceover can be heard although not very loud. I did include instructions on
how to enable the microphone for screen recordings in my original message, you
do it by flicking up or down on Screen Recorder to "Open Controls" and double
tap, then locate the Microphone toggle.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover
Sieghard, we thought we would try testing with the se phones, and this
is what we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and
located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll
definitely spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable
the microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the
same thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this
is what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo
recorder it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's
voice very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad
on the other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones
except for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question,
getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from
time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one
way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a
recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works
just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way
including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just how you want it
to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's
where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up
doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording.
Arlene and Wayne
www.alldigitalaudio.com
arlenes71...@earthlink.net
greenwoo...@cox.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM
Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover
Hello,
I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do
something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is
no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what
Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could
be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover
is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be
barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking
loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the
microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but
nothing else.
I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me
could test this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if
people with an iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do some testing that would be
great. Please make sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control
Centre to Adjust controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before
starting. Then try it with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the
external speaker or switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth
speaker or wired external speaker.
Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this.
If your findings match mine please also send a message and feel free to use all
or part of my message. Screen recordings which include Voiceover speech can be
really useful and they used to work. This way if you encounter an app with
unlabeled buttons or other elements which are not spoken correctly by Voiceover
you can easily make a demo and send it to the developer to show them. OK, here
now is my message:
Hello,
I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the Screen
Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I think it's a big
feature omission which should be addressed especially since it used to be
different. Here is the problem:
If I, as a Voiceover user, start a screen recording with the microphone
enabled Voiceover disappears or, to be more exact, it is banished to the
earpiece where it can be barely heard.
Not only does this make it difficult for a blind user to navigate and
perform gestures on the phone, but it also means that only what I say is
recorded, whatever Voiceover speaks or does not speak is not captured on the
screen recording video.
As I said, this used to be different. When screen recording was first
introduced as a feature Voiceover continued to speak on the external speaker
and what was spoken was captured on the video. This allowed a blind person to
demonstrate accessibility issues in apps or iOS itself. If, for example,
certain buttons were only spoken as "button" without a description as to their
purpose I could have made a screen recording to demonstrate this and then sent
the recording to the developer asking if the problem could be fixed in a future
update.
In iOS 11 or at least the last time I used screen recording for this
purpose which I am pretty sure was in iOS 11, I could still accomplish this by
connecting to a Bluetooth speaker, the audio would remain on the Bluetooth
speaker and would be captured on the video. Today I wanted to make a screen
recording to show somebody how to do something in an app and while Voiceover
continued to speak via the Bluetooth speaker, after I finished and played back
the video I heard my own voice as I was explaining the gestures I performed,
but there was no trace of Voiceover which really baffles me because all along
Voiceover could be heard loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker.
How is it possible that my voice which is an external sound is
recorded, but Voiceover coming from the Bluetooth speaker, also an external
sound, was not picked up by the microphone?
I use an iPhone 6S Plus so after this didn't work with a Bluetooth
speaker I used a wired speaker and plugged it into the 3.5mm audio jack of my
iPhone. Once again Voiceover came from the speaker loud and clear. I started
the screen recording and made sure that microphone was turned on. After I
finished I played back the video only to find that again I could be heard
clearly but Voiceover could not be heard at all.
I don't have access to other phones such as an iPhone 7, 8 or higher to
see if screen recording behaves differently, but I would really like to urge
Apple to consider to make screen recording once again accessible and, what is
equally important, useful for a visually impaired user with respect to making a
demo which includes what Voiceover speaks.
Best regards,
Sieghard
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