I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody should write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue? I'm with you though, Lynn. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn White Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue? No. Bombing any server is a rotten idea. That is a very negative action and is likely not to receive a positive reaction. I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this. But whenever I hear that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting their way using any means necessary. Not casting personal attacks on anyone whatsoever. There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out problems witha service or app. The one that comes to mind in this situation is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible team each time a new major update happens. It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements that are made and point those improvements out. I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I was on such a team. I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing people who might disagree with me. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote: BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on! You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so and other bad reasons not to write to Apple. So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DO report it now and let’s say every week again and again! Davy From: Lynn White <mailto:lynnwhite...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue? Hi Allen, This is so refreshing to hear. I have a friend who, every time there is an update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways other than children of God. I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a beta tester which he would be great at. To this day, he has done neither. And you’re right. It will take beating that drum patiently and courteously until this issue is fixed. It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes out. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple. I’ve sent them an e-mail. Kim On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote: Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon. From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue? Yes. This is irritating. I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that. So now what? Do we just wait for the next update? Write to Apple accessibility? Thanks for any direction. Kim On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com <mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi List, I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seem to do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new email comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older message, focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus correctly when I expand a thread containing multiple messages. Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through my new emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster. Thanks in advance for your comments. 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