I think it will be some time before 5G coverage is complete, I am sure years 
down the road it will be very complete since it's crutial to things like 
self-driving cars and so on.
As for Mark's hope that this year's iPhone 12 include some sort of fingerprint 
authentication in addition to Face Id I highly doubt this will be the case.
My wife and I both have an iPhone 8 and we'll stick with it for at least one 
more year, I don't think this year's phones are going to be that convincing 
with their first generation 5G support and smaller batteries.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

Both,
The sE has touch ID and you will have a pin code.

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Baker
Sent: Saturday, 19 September 2020 6:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

With the SE phone, can you use a passcode or touch ID instead of face 
recognition?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> I’m not Mark, but yes. If you get an iPhone 12, you will be dealing with face 
> ID. You could always decide to get an SE 2020. Or if that rumored SE plus 
> comes out, you would have the same form factor as an 8+, with a better 
> battery, and presumably a home button. Ased for a book, I’m not sure what to 
> recommend. The biggest thing is the gestures, because there’s no home button. 
> And you don’t really need a whole book for that. Maybe it’s even describe 
> somewhere on AppleVis.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark and Aul,
>> 
>> Mark, thanks for your review and comments on iOS 14. Is that will be 
>> purchasing new iPhones from my wife and I when they become available, I am 
>> not gonna upgrade my current model. I do have a couple of questions, 
>> however. Will I be using face recognition on the iPhone 12? I’m guessing I 
>> would be. Are there any resources or books that you were anybody can 
>> recommend as I prepare to go from the 8+ to the iPhone 12. Thanks in advance 
>> for any assistance.
>> Best regards,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Family,
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>> 
>>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, 
>>> albeit a scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This 
>>> feature drove me crazy because it kept saying something like 
>>> "triangle or diagonal" almost all the time when viewing items in a 
>>> list.  It took me what seemed like forever to find where this 
>>> feature was located in the OS.  I found the setting under VoiceOver 
>>> Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so did not disable the 
>>> feature until after a restart of the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the 
>>> scene descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been 
>>> on the market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, 
>>> sooner or later, installing the latest OS begins to slow down the 
>>> responsiveness of the phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on 
>>> my 8 Plus until after hearing from various people on this list, that 
>>> doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to slow down.  I am also not going 
>>> to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am planning on purchasing an 
>>> iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it ships with a Touch 
>>> ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the iPhone 12 
>>> does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out for 
>>> another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on a 
>>> later model.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch 
>>> ID sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the 
>>> same or similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that 
>>> they have implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of 
>>> iPAds, all bets are off.  Just have to wait and see.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we 
>>> can talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and 
>>> devices.
>>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>>> 
>>> I hope you are all doing well.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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