Sieghard, 
Do you have your mail app on your phone set up for threads? I do, and I find 
that going through threaded  messages is a focus nightmare. It’s better 
otherwise, the threading is still massively screwed up here.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> No issues with the Mail app here, actually for once when you delete a 
> message Voiceover instantly focuses on the next message in the Inbox instead 
> of jumping up to the top.
> I have an Outlook.com and an exchange account set up and all works great.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mich 
> Verrier
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 6:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: 14 woes
> 
> Hi all. Has any one elts knotest that some times when you go into the mail 
> app under ios 14 that voice over stops responding and it seems to crash? I 
> have found this and the only way I have found to resolve this is to re start 
> the phone since going into the ale app seems to get resalved after doing this 
> I just am wondering if any one elts has found this to be the case. From Mich.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: September 21, 2020 1:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 14 woes
> 
> I am using my iPhone, because it works for me, if there ever came a day when 
> it didn't work for me, then I'd look at other alternatives.
> I know that there are bugs especially when any new update comes out, and I'll 
> wait just a bit until 14 becomes a little more stable.  I'm learning new 
> things about my iPhone all the time and I haven't even had my iPhone 8 for 2 
> years yet.  I think I've had my iPhone 8 for a little over one year at this 
> point.
> 
>> On 9/21/20, Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> Yeah as I said it’s still there but not by default.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
>> chalt...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 5:13 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: 14 woes
>> 
>> And this is why you should be careful when taking such advice from a 
>> mailing list. Not every poster knows what they’re talking about.
>> 
>> If you prefer Talk Back then you can still get a Samsung device since 
>> you can always install Talk Back, giving you two screen readers to use 
>> and choose from.
>> 
>> As it turns out, in the next version of Samsung’s UI, you’ll be 
>> getting Talk Back. Voice Assistant is no more.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
>> Of Simon A Fogarty
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:46 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: 14 woes
>> 
>> And if you want talkback don’t get a Samsung,
>> 
>> They are using their own product now not talkback.
>> Although you can use talkback if you don’t like the other.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
>> Of chalt...@gmail.com<mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 4:08 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: 14 woes
>> 
>> True, there are and will also be bugs in Android and Talk Back, but it 
>> is a good thing that we have choices, since not every platform will 
>> meet everyone’s needs. I hope people will enjoy their iPhone running 
>> IOS 14 as well as an Android device, if they choose to make that 
>> change. Let’s hope that both platforms continue to improve and become 
>> more and more accessible over time!
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 10:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: 14 woes
>> 
>> Then enjoy your new Android device, I'm sure in time you'll find bugs 
>> just as serious and just as many.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
>> Of Dennis Long
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 8:37 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: 14 woes
>> 
>> I am done with crapple!!!!  The released a bug that never should’ve 
>> got out the door.  You don’t hear notifications while on a call.  This 
>> is a confirmed bug!  This is the second year in a row where they 
>> released something before it is ready.  Yes Android has its issues but 
>> at least you can hear the notifications while on a call.  Also in 
>> Android 11 you can do multi finger jesters.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
>> Of Anne West
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 10:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: 14 woes
>> 
>> I just caught up on several days of email. Things have been crazy here.
>> 
>> I never, never download an IOS update the day it comes out. I 
>> downloaded 14 yesterday and got a very unwelcomed surprise when my phone 
>> finished.
>> 
>> My iPhone 8 started up on the screen that appears the first time a new 
>> phone is powered on. That happened to me once before shortly after I 
>> got my first iPhone. I was on hold for almost 2 hours yesterday for an 
>> Apple Advisor and finally Leon from WI answered my call. He very 
>> patiently walked me through the fix and all seems right with the 
>> world. I haven’t accessed the media and purchases screen but I did 
>> play with widgets a little. My apps seem to be okay. I haven’t used 
>> all of my apps on the phone since I got 14 however. My phone did jump 
>> around in the messaging and weather apps a bit. Now I know why.
>> 
>> I don’t understand why updates are released before they are ready. 
>> Companies should wait until they have the updates right. Apple messed up 
>> this time.
>> 
>> I’ve never heard of DFU mode and I think it’s something I should 
>> forget about. But, I’m going to save the article.
>> 
>> That’s it from here. Goodnight all!
>> 
>> Anne
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